<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt">@Andrew, @Maye<br><br>I hope this does not turn out to be a one-to-one match :-) <br><br>I have tried to look for Alan Barret earlier email that was quite balanced on the aspects of this policy in order restate it and support it.<br><br>The key points I support were (but I stand be corrected since I cant trace the email :-);<br><br>1. The policy is not good since it seems to favour certain orgarnizations (academia) - the risk here being that soon or later, other specialized organisations may come up with their own specialized policies as well. Think of Churches, Political Parties, Youth, Football groups etc :-)<br><br>2. The Policy is good in that it makes it easier for Universities to quickly get IP addresses - which is a good thing since Universities tend to be the safest custodian and best consumers of IP
resources amongst all other potential organisations.<br><div><br><span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>I also see Maye's point that it could be that Southern region (read SA), East African region (read Kenyan) & perhaps West Africa region (read Nigerian) Universities maybe the ones who may "rush" for these IP resources at the expense of the other regions(countries). I think it is a valid point and the most likely outcome of this policy.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>I think we should
tweak the policy to take care of every regions interest rather than simply throw the whole policy out.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br><span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>walu.<br></span></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Andrew Alston <alston.networks@gmail.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Maye Diop <mayediop@gmail.com>; rpd <rpd@afrinic.net> <br> <b><span
style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, June 26, 2013 12:27 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [AFRINIC-rpd] Commencement of the last call<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv1338657134"><div><div>Thanks Maye,</div><div><br></div><div>I sent that privately but as I said in it, you are welcome to share my concerns with the list.</div><div><br></div><div>I stand by what I have said there, that I do not understand your motives, and that I believe strongly that this policy is in the best interests of the African continent as a whole and that is what I fight for. And I hope that we are NOT seeing a divide such as what this is beginning to look like</div><div><br></div><div>Andrew</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><span id="yiv1338657134OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"><div style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt;text-align:left;color:black;BORDER-BOTTOM:medium none;BORDER-LEFT:medium
none;PADDING-BOTTOM:0in;PADDING-LEFT:0in;PADDING-RIGHT:0in;BORDER-TOP:#b5c4df 1pt solid;BORDER-RIGHT:medium none;PADDING-TOP:3pt;"><span style="font-weight:bold;">From: </span> Maye Diop <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:mayediop@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:mayediop@gmail.com">mayediop@gmail.com</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold;">Date: </span> Wednesday 26 June 2013 11:19 AM<br><span style="font-weight:bold;">To: </span> rpd <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject: </span> Fwd: [AFRINIC-rpd] Commencement of the last call<br></div><div><br></div><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div>FYI<br><div><div class="yiv1338657134gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <b class="yiv1338657134gmail_sendername">Andrew Alston</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow"
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Date: 2013/6/26<br>Subject: Re: [AFRINIC-rpd] Commencement of the last call<br>To: Maye Diop <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:mayediop@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:mayediop@gmail.com">mayediop@gmail.com</a>><br><br><br><div style="font-size:14px;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;word-wrap:break-word;"><div>Sent off list… your decision to take it back to the list or not….</div><div class="yiv1338657134im"><div><br></div><div>; ii) his focus on south region without any provision of equity; </div><div><br></div></div><div>Is this the REAL reason for your opposition? Not on technical grounds, not on financial grounds, not on any other grounds, but because you oppose something that is not coming out of your own region? Even though we have shown and demonstrated that it will benefit your own region more than the Southern or Eastern regions? I am now openly asking you, is this a geo-political issue or a language issue
or a racial issue? Because if that is the case, I would be extremely saddened to find that Africa once again cannot work together because of prejudice based on location, ethnicity, language, tribal association or any other. </div><div><br></div><div>I believe, strongly, that this policy is in the benefit of the continent as a whole, and I might point out, I actually spend VERY little time in the southern region these days, most of my work is with the commercials in East Africa, though I was involved in actively supporting and fighting for the IPv6 task force in Senegal, have presented in Ghana, have spent time in Gambia, and have always demonstrated throughout my career that my focus has been <span style="font-weight:bold;">Africa</span> centric rather then <span style="font-weight:bold;">South</span> Africa centric. </div><div><br></div><div>However, your statements and your views come across to me, and others who have
expressed this view to me, as being extremely guided by issues that are not actually related to the policy and I question those motives (and am quite prepared to debate that on list if you so choose)</div><span class="yiv1338657134HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>Andrew</div></font></span><div class="yiv1338657134im"><div><br></div><span><div class="yiv1338657134gmail_extra"><br><div class="yiv1338657134gmail_quote">
2013/6/26 Alan Barrett <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:apb@cequrux.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:apb@cequrux.com">apb@cequrux.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="yiv1338657134gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div>On Wed, 26 Jun 2013, Badru Ntege wrote:<br><blockquote class="yiv1338657134gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
There is nothing stoping this institution now using the resources to set up a local for profit ISP, or even passing these resources to a third party that will take them off the continent.<br></blockquote><br></div>
See the existing IPv4 allocation policy, AFPUB-2005-V4-001, section 9.5:<br><br>
" 9.5 Validity of an assignment<br>
"<br>
" Assignments remain valid as long as the original criteria<br>
" on which the assignment was based are still in place and<br>
" the assignment is registered in the AFRINIC database. An<br>
" assignment is therefore invalid if it is not registered in the<br>
" database and if the purpose for which it was registered has<br>
" changed or no longer holds.<br><br>
An attempt to transfer of resources clearly invalidates the assignment under clause 9.4 of AFPUB-2005-V4-001. I would argue that a mission change on the part of the organisation (such as serving as a for-profit ISP), would also invalidate the assignment under that clause.<br><br>
--apb (Alan Barrett)<div><div><br>
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