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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi Chad,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Except for the fact that your policy proposal does not reference legacy space, infact it makes specific references to LIRs who by definition have space allocated from AfriNIC that is non-legacy. Therefore, in evaluation of this policy it is looked at holistically and until now the word legacy was not used, this raises eyebrows.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>My views on legacy space are well known and well documented, hell, I refused point blank to sign the AfriNIC MSA over the fact that it did not exclude legacy space for a long long time.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>What you do with legacy space is up to you, I don’t believe the RIR’s should have a say in it at all. What you do with assignments made by a particular regional entity is an entirely different story. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Andrew<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> Chad [mailto:chad@logicweb.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 16, 2013 4:43 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Andrew Alston'; 'Sunday Folayan'; tespok@tespok.co.ke<br><b>Cc:</b> 'Ernest - (AfriNIC)'; 'AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List'<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [AFRINIC-rpd] New Policy Proposal: Inter RIR IPv4 Address Transfers (AFPUB-2013-V4-001-DRAFT-01)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>There’s nothing wrong with my previous response. Facts are facts. Scrutiny is one thing, ignorant claims is another. Business is business. We’re all here to make money, the right way. Am I doing it the wrong way? No I am not. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>People need to get their facts right before they scrutinize someone or belittle their motivation. Show me one legitimate reason why legacy IPs should not be transferrable to another RIR. They are legacy, they are not controlled by the RIR (AfriNIC here) so they cannot be assigned to anyone by the RIR itself anyway.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif";color:#E36C0A;mso-ligatures:standard'>LogicWeb Inc.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-ligatures:standard'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif";color:gray;mso-ligatures:standard'>"a smarter web host solution"</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-ligatures:standard'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif";color:gray;mso-ligatures:standard'>p. 877-LOGICWEB f. 718-841-7124</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-ligatures:standard'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif";color:#E36C0A;mso-ligatures:standard'><a href="http://www.logicweb.com/"><span style='color:#E36C0A'>www.logicweb.com</span></a></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-ligatures:standard'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> Andrew Alston [<a href="mailto:alston.networks@gmail.com">mailto:alston.networks@gmail.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 16, 2013 9:35 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'Chad'; 'Sunday Folayan'; <a href="mailto:tespok@tespok.co.ke">tespok@tespok.co.ke</a><br><b>Cc:</b> 'Ernest - (AfriNIC)'; 'AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List'<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [AFRINIC-rpd] New Policy Proposal: Inter RIR IPv4 Address Transfers (AFPUB-2013-V4-001-DRAFT-01)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi Chad,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Actually, you proposed a policy in the African region that directly affects the IP addressing on the African continent. Just as every policy I myself have ever proposed, and every policy everyone else has proposed may come under scrutiny and be analyzed and dissected by the community, the same applies to yours. When analyzing a policy, the motivations of the person proposing are questioned, and you would have seen if you had been following this list, these questions get asked of more policies than just your own.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The trick here is in how you respond to it, and if people on this list choose to question your motivations, that is part of the process.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>As I stated, initially, I was supportive of this policy, but have since changed my stance since I believe that the distribution of addresses should still remain in the hands of the RIR (and I say that even with the will documented issues I have with AfriNIC, since even with those issues, I have never disputed the need for a strong and robust RIR). However, even had my stance NOT changed before now, after what you have said in this post and the nature of it, well, yeah…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Andrew<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> <a href="mailto:rpd-bounces@afrinic.net">rpd-bounces@afrinic.net</a> [<a href="mailto:rpd-bounces@afrinic.net">mailto:rpd-bounces@afrinic.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Chad<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 16, 2013 4:23 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Sunday Folayan'; <a href="mailto:tespok@tespok.co.ke">tespok@tespok.co.ke</a><br><b>Cc:</b> 'Ernest - (AfriNIC)'; 'AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List'<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [AFRINIC-rpd] New Policy Proposal: Inter RIR IPv4 Address Transfers (AFPUB-2013-V4-001-DRAFT-01)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>First off,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>McTim posting from my personal facebook page is not constructive nor objective. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Secondly, <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I own the /14 legacy IPs. I have a right to profit off IP addresses that I own and paid for. Had McTim used common sense and proper thinking he would have realized that. Who pays for something (business investment) and not expect a return for their investment? Is it wrong? No. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>And for you Fiono to quote it again is blatant ignorance. I don’t know how you conduct business but in the real world business is business. There is nothing I did wrong by legitimately buying legacy IPs, paying for them as a business investment and wanting to lease them out. I have every right to do so. Facts are facts. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The ignorant response are overwhelming in this thread its unbelievable. It’s unbelievable that you Fiona and “McTim” have the audacity to argue against someone making money on IPs they actually own. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>You actually sound like control freaks wanting to police other people’s businesses that you have no right doing so.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif";color:#E36C0A;mso-ligatures:standard'>LogicWeb Inc.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-ligatures:standard'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif";color:gray;mso-ligatures:standard'>"a smarter web host solution"</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-ligatures:standard'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif";color:gray;mso-ligatures:standard'>p. 877-LOGICWEB f. 718-841-7124</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-ligatures:standard'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif";color:#E36C0A;mso-ligatures:standard'><a href="http://www.logicweb.com/"><span style='color:#E36C0A'>www.logicweb.com</span></a></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-ligatures:standard'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> <a href="mailto:rpd-bounces@afrinic.net">rpd-bounces@afrinic.net</a> [<a href="mailto:rpd-bounces@afrinic.net">mailto:rpd-bounces@afrinic.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Sunday Folayan<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 16, 2013 9:08 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:tespok@tespok.co.ke">tespok@tespok.co.ke</a><br><b>Cc:</b> AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List; Ernest - (AfriNIC)<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AFRINIC-rpd] New Policy Proposal: Inter RIR IPv4 Address Transfers (AFPUB-2013-V4-001-DRAFT-01)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Fiona,<br><br><br>On 16/01/2013 12:04, Fiona Asonga wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>Hallo Chad<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>I hope the author of this proposal in on the list to respond since he has been rather quiet. I am still asking what is the goal of the proposal since I think the proposal is kind of incomplete. What I would like to understand is;... so as to enable, achieve or facilitate what........? <o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>Still wonder why? Even with McTim's post of 11-01-2013 which quoted is:<br><br><BEGIN><br>In addition, at <a href="http://www.facebook.com/chad.abizeid" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/chad.abizeid</a>, I found:<br><br>"Chad Abizeid<br>Please contact me at <a href="mailto:chad@logicweb.com">chad@logicweb.com</a> / 877-564-4293 ext 79. I am<br>looking to see if your company may be interested in leasing over 250k<br>IP addresses (/14) from my company LogicWeb Inc (est 2004). Smaller<br>subnet leasing available as well. Thank you.<br>Like · · October 10 at 5:45pm"<br></END><br><br>I wonder why AfriNIC is not into the leasing business ;)<br><br>Sunday.<o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>