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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Aahh Sunday,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I completely agree with you that we need to look for solutions, and hence the policy proposal that you and I are presenting to this list as soon as we get the unique identifier. I do also however believe that if the problems that currently exist are not spoken about, and dealt with, they will persist. Silence and a lack of willingness to speak out on issues, and to stand our ground and say enough when things are going wrong makes us as guilty of the problem as anyone else. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If there are delivery issues and process issues, and we as a community do not speak out and have these things dealt with, we are complicit in the problems themselves, and it amazes me the things that are said to me by organizations and individuals alike on other mediums and in chat channels and skype etc, but when it comes to actually standing up on this list, there is deafening silence. Well, I for one cannot stay silent when I see the same old issues repeating time and time again.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Andrew<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan@gmail.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 15, 2013 4:28 PM<br><b>To:</b> Andrew Alston<br><b>Cc:</b> AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List; Maina Noah<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: RE: [AFRINIC-rpd] New Policy Proposal: Inter RIR IPv4 Address Transfers (AFPUB-2013-V4-001-DRAFT-01)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p>Andrew,<o:p></o:p></p><p>let us find another candle to light, instead of cursing the darkness.<o:p></o:p></p><p>Sunday.<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On 15 Jan 2013 14:53, "Andrew Alston" <<a href="mailto:alston.networks@gmail.com">alston.networks@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi Maina,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I personally believe that the problem is two-fold. Firstly, the community tends to resist change and the argument always surfaces, why implement something that isn’t going to generate revenue. The fact is though that many of us have been saying for years and years that IPv6 is not about revenue generation, it’s about revenue retention. When the day arrives that customers cannot access something elsewhere in the rest of the world because its gone IPv6 only and an ISP cannot offer IPv6, at that point, the customer is going to walk and go somewhere that can give him full access to the Net, and the revenue from that customer is gone. Once a customer is gone, its far harder to get them to come back than it was to lose them. The argument though around revenue retention versus revenue gain is something that we, as technical people, have often failed to make to the upper management and those that hold the purse strings, and I believe that technical people who DO see the risk of not rolling out IPv6 have failed in this regard. As technical people it is our responsibility to ensure that our employers understand the dangers of not moving forward, after all, if our employers don’t move forward and end up bankcrupt as a result, it is us that will be out of work.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Secondly, with regards to AfriNIC. I stand by my view that holding onto IPv4 space is counter-productive, it propagates the mindset that the food will never spoil. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>With regards to the policy in question, believe me, I would prefer to see other options before this one, but I’m prepared to look at any option that speeds up the burn rate of the IPv4 pool to bring us closer to the rest of the world in terms of when we run out. This is why in Tanzania I proposed allowing foreign entities to get space directly from AfriNIC for a premium price once other regions had run out of space, though I can also understand why the community stands so strongly against such initiatives, it is an emotional issue.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Obviously though, first prize in my book is to use the remaining pool in Africa, and get it allocated. THIS is where I believe that AfriNIC is currently failing, and failing badly. Because of the current process, the delays, the back and forth, the moving goal posts, the inconsistency and the lack of service we are seeing out of the organization, there is a resistance among many to apply for space. We have to cut through the red tape and make it easier for African organizations to actually access our available pool so that it does get used. To give you an idea just how bad this situation is at the moment, I had one major financial organization (who sadly I cannot publically name on this list), tell me that they would remain single homed with one provider because their space was provider assigned, and despite previous attempts to get space from AfriNIC, the process had taken its toll and they had decided it simply wasn’t worth the fight, as a result, they would stay with a single provider and not go PI based.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I know of another organization that was told to present licenses that they did not need in the country they were operating in before they could get space. I know of other industry critical bodies who have been fighting for space for 3 MONTHS since they ran out. We all saw the billing issues I raised on this list last week, and we all still await the full report on this issue that was promised would be delivered early this week, yet we are now almost to the middle of the week and there is still no report on this list. So yes, there are problems at AfriNIC that are scaring people away and slowing down the burn rate of the v4 pool, these HAVE to be rectified. As I said, it’s a two-fold problem and needs to be addressed in both areas.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Andrew</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Maina Noah [mailto:<a href="mailto:mainanoa@gmail.com" target="_blank">mainanoa@gmail.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 15, 2013 2:17 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#500050'><br>To: Andrew Alston<br>Cc: Sunday Folayan; AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List<br>Subject: Re: [AFRINIC...</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='color:#500050'><br><br> <br><br>Andrew,<br><br> <br><br>I here you and i understand your point of view clearly. But i for one will not supp...</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote></div></body></html>