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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi Owen,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Happy to remove the upper limit and allow for justification of higher, so long as the 4:1 is accepted as the de-facto minimum without need for mass justification to get there. How does this sound?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Andrew<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Owen DeLong [mailto:owen@delong.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 15, 2013 9:34 PM<br><b>To:</b> Andrew Alston<br><b>Cc:</b> rpd@afrinic.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AFRINIC-rpd] Academic IPV4 Allocation Policy - Draft 1<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Jan 15, 2013, at 11:24 AM, "Andrew Alston" <<a href="mailto:alston.networks@gmail.com">alston.networks@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi Owen,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>For one thing, 3 is ridiculously low. I can't imagine that we won't face a future where students have at a minimum, a laptop, smart phone, and tablet device of some form (3). Likely there will also be several that keep desktop computers in their dorm rooms. (4).<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I actually tend to agree with you that 3 is on the low side, since for one thing, the number is likely to grow, and for another, institutional student counts grow all the time as population growth occurs. The number that I proposed here was based on a sampling done from several institutions that put the number at between 2.2 and 2.5 at current, so I wanted to allow for some growth but not put down a number that was unreasonably high. I would fully support changing this to a 4:1 however. While a 5:1 may be a better number to use on a global scale, we also need to take into account the African context and the limited time frame where this policy will be in effect (due to the fact that African IPv4 space will have run out). When we consider this, the chances of us getting to a 5:1 ratio in terms of requirements across the continent before the world has already moved beyond the need for IPv4 is probably pretty small.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>While I readily admit you have a better perspective on the situation within Africa than I do, I still think that your survey likely fails to account for addresses not directly used by students when coming to a 2.2-2.5 conclusion.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Add the need for addresses for servers, infrastructure, computer labs, etc. and you are probably closer to 6 or 7 if not approaching 10.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I believe that the 4:1 ratio would cater for this, again, if you have a student base of even 10 thousand students, under a 4:1 ratio you are looking at a /16 network after prefix round up, this is sufficient to number the servers, lab pcs and staff etc. It becomes even more so if you consider a student base of 20 or 30 thousand students when the roundup is taken into account.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>Sure, but if you have a student population of 7800, then the 4:1 ration puts you at a /17 and you have almost no room beyond the 4 addresses used by each student.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I would support the policy if the policy statement were modified as follows:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Replace 3.4 with:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>3.4 Under the policy, HEI shall be eligible to receive IPv4 resources at a ratio not less than 5 IPv4 addresses per student, rounded up to the nearest bit-aligned prefix. Applications based on a ratio as high as 10:1 shall be given due consideration and should be approved unless the justification is believed by AfriNIC staff to be specious or fraudulent in nature.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Would you still support if we modified 3.4 to change the 5 to 4, and change the 10:1 to 6:1. In addition, while I need to discuss this with my co-author, I would prefer to see the latter part of your rewording here as a little less ambiguous. I am hoping for a situation where applications where the documentation supplied by the policy is provided are defacto approved, without ANY ambiguity that leaves room for weeks of arguing and back and forth that has been occurred. With the wording proposed, I worry that we introduce more ambiguity back into the process. Thoughts?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>No. I would not. I would support it with the first change (5->4), but reducing 10 to 6 places an absurd limitation that I would consider unacceptable. If you want to remove the upper bound altogether and simply state that any justified higher number should also be<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>accepted, then I would support that.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Owen<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Andrew</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Jan 15, 2013, at 7:14 AM, Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:alston.networks@gmail.com"><span style='color:purple'>alston.networks@gmail.com</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Hi All,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Please see the policy proposed below and can we get some discussion going so that we can modify/edit as the community feels necessary in order to get this tabled at the next meeting later this year.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Thanks</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Andrew</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Unique Identifier: AFPUB-2013-GEN-001-DRAFT-01</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Draft Policy Name: Academic IPv4 Allocation</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Policy Author(s): Andrew Alston<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:aa@alstonnetworks.net"><span style='color:purple'>aa@alstonnetworks.net</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Sunday Folayan<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:sfolayan@skannet.com.ng"><span style='color:purple'>sfolayan@skannet.com.ng</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Date: January 14, 2013</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Related Policies: None</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Amends: None</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>1) Summary of the Problem Being Addressed by this Policy Proposal</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Given that the Higher Education Institutions (HEIs) in Africa are growing, and that Internet access within these academic Institutions is critical to the educational experience of students, it is necessary to provide sufficient address space to these HEIs to allow them to function effectively. When we consider that such institutions are constantly upgrading their Infrastructure and bandwidth to support technologies which are severely limited in environments using Network Address Translation (NAT), we believe that it is important that HEIs desirous of public address space should have the ability to migrate away from NAT. Such migration will help promote technologies such as multicast and the convergence of voice and data networks, which will in turn drive down the costs within such institutions.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>By promoting the elimination of NATs, this proposal will also assist Universities in their migration to IPv6, and in fact, to qualify under this proposal, dual-stack and/or rollout of IPv6 at the qualifying institution is mandatory.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>2) Summary of How this Proposal Addresses the Problem</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> a) This proposal will simplify the allocation of address space to HEIs by detailing and simplifying the address justification criteria</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> b) This proposal recognizes HEIs as end users, and removes the confusion previously seen where arguments have occurred as to the status of the applying institution.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> c) This proposal helps to reduce the dependence of HEIs on NATs, and is in line with AfriNIC's own policy of not promoting the usage of such translation mechanisms.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> d) This proposal encourages the adoption of IPv6 by making the rollout of IPv6 a criterion for qualification under this proposal.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>3) Proposal</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Academic Institutions qualify for IP address space from AfriNIC based on the number of registered full time students on their campus.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>3.1) To qualify for address space, Academic institutions will need to apply as end users and provide the following documentation:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> 3.1.1) Proof of University registration/accreditation</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> 3.1.2) Proof of the number of registered full time students</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>3.2) In addition to the documentation specified in clause 3.1, institutions will need to provide details of planned/current IPv6 roll-outs, including committed time frames for the roll-out of IPv6.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>3.3) For the purposes of this policy, the roll-out of IPv6 can only be considered to be a true IPv6 roll-out, if IPv6 is extended to the edge of the network, beyond just the core/server infrastructure.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>3.4) Under the policy, an HEI shall qualify for IP addresses on the basis of a 1:3 student:address ratio, so as to cater for the wide spread and increasing use of portable devices</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>(smartphones/tablets/notebooks) being brought onto campus by students.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>3.5) HEIs will be classified as End Users under this policy, on provision of a duly authorized letter from the institution management stating that address space allocated will not be used outside of the campus/academic environment.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>3.6) HEIs qualifying under this proposal will qualify for the same academic discounts that are applicable to any academic institution at the time of application.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>3.7) Since any HEI that has a large base of full time registered students, has to, by the very nature of their function, have equipment on campus, this policy dispenses for the need for a HEI to provide detailed proof of equipment and infrastructure.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span 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