<p>Hey Andrew,</p>
<p>I beg to disagree with you on this, I don't think having v4 is the major stumbling block to v6 development; we cannot say because we want to go naked then we sell our cloths(as we have then given the buyer right to abuse us even as he strips us naked), instead we take it off ourself and at our own pace.<br>
Development process rate in Africa is not a 1+1=2 scenario, but can be as much as =11 (broadband penetration rate is a good sample source). So don't worry about tagging along with other continents, we will get close to them once we kick off! Especially once some critical application that interest Africans start running on v6 (and not on v4 at all)<br>
As per V4 being useless at a later time, well I had thought about that too. Then I read events where big organization such as Microsoft are buying large v4s...I wonder why such an investment from business oriented form if v4 will indeed become useless soon :)</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 11, 2013 6:07 PM, "Andrew Alston" <<a href="mailto:alston.networks@gmail.com">alston.networks@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Hi All,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">It’s me about to be controversial again.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I proposed something actually far more liberal in Tanzania, and yes, it was voted down and withdrawn. But I for one support this policy, again, under the guise that I believe it assists NO ONE if one region is sitting with v4 space long after the other regions have run out. If we all go over the proverbial cliff together, we all develop at the same rate and there is some incentive to actually do something about IPv6. Day in and day out I still get told by people that they don’t need to worry about v6, after all, AfriNIC has plenty of IPv4 available still….<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Holding onto the v4 space and limiting the ability to get rid of it is short sighted and long term will have negative effects on this continent. Let’s stop thinking about the NOW and think about where we need to be heading and how we are going to get there, and sadly, the one thing I’ve found in this industry, you need some pretty big incentives to get things moving (scarcity, financial impact or public embarrassment generally do the trick) . I would say RUNNING OUT is probably the biggest incentive of them all though…<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">So +1 for this policy, I support it<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Andrew<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:rpd-bounces@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd-bounces@afrinic.net</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:rpd-bounces@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd-bounces@afrinic.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Seun Ojedeji<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 11, 2013 3:19 PM<br><b>To:</b> McTim<br><b>Cc:</b> AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List; Ernest - (AfriNIC)<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AFRINIC-rpd] New Policy Proposal: Inter RIR IPv4 Address Transfers (AFPUB-2013-V4-001-DRAFT-01)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">+1 something similar to this proposal was presented sometime ago(i think it was at Afrinic 14 in Tanzania). Ofcourse i opposed it then, and even now i strongly oppose! I don't see any economic benefit that will come out of this, i can only relate such an act to indirect colonialism.<br>
<br>Our heritage is a thing of pride lets not sell it to a foreigner!<br><br>Regards<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 1:43 PM, McTim <<a href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com" target="_blank">dogwallah@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Dear Colleagues,<br><br>I am opposed to this proposal.<br><br>Given that Africa has historically fewer numbering resources than<br>other regions,<br>and this proposal will allow transfer from the region to other<br>
regions, it seems to me to be<br>a way for people to make money from IP address transfers in opposition<br>to the sense of the<br>community as gauged a few meetings ago.<br><br>In addition, at <a href="http://www.facebook.com/chad.abizeid" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/chad.abizeid</a>, I found:<br>
<br>"Chad Abizeid<br>Please contact me at <a href="mailto:chad@logicweb.com" target="_blank">chad@logicweb.com</a> / 877-564-4293 ext 79. I am<br>looking to see if your company may be interested in leasing over 250k<br>
IP addresses (/14) from my company LogicWeb Inc (est 2004). Smaller<br>subnet leasing available as well. Thank you.<br>Like · · October 10 at 5:45pm"<br><br><br>I hope you will join me in opposition to this as a way to keep AfriNIC<br>
resources in Africa for use by African networks.<br><br><br>--<br>Cheers,<br><br>McTim<br>"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A<br>route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel<u></u><u></u></p>
<div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br><br><br>On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 3:28 AM, Ernest - (AfriNIC) <<a href="mailto:ernest@afrinic.net" target="_blank">ernest@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br>> Hi All,<br>
><br>> A new policy proposal has been received:<br>><br>> "Inter RIR IPv4 Address Transfers" (AFPUB-2013-V4-001-DRAFT-01)<br>><br>> It is published at:<br>><br>> <a href="http://afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/836-inter-rir-ipv4-address-transfers" target="_blank">http://afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/836-inter-rir-ipv4-address-transfers</a><br>
><br>> Also pasted below for comments and discussion from the PDWG/community:<br>><br>> __________________________________________________<br>> Unique identifier: AFPUB-2013-V4-001-DRAFT-01<br>
> Draft Policy Name: Inter RIR IPv4 Address Transfers<br>> Author: Chad Abizeid, LogicWeb Inc<br>> Date: January 09, 2013<br>> Related Policies: None<br>> Amends: None<br>
><br>><br>> 1.0 Summary of the Problem Being Addressed by this Policy Proposal<br>><br>> Given the original geographical distribution of IPv4 address space and the geographical distribution of current needs for IPv4 address space, it stands to reason that no IPv4 address space should be ‘locked up’ within the RIR service region they were originally allocated to.<br>
><br>> In order to prevent conflict, it also refers to policy for transfers of the region the address space is being transferred to or from.<br>><br>> 2.0 Summary of How this Proposal Addresses the Problem<br>
><br>> a. Provides a minimal framework for Inter-RIR IPv4 address space transfers.<br>><br>> b. Maintains the integrity of AfriNIC's whois database and ensures AfriNIC remains part of the approval and transfer process.<br>
><br>> c. Allows African companies to participate in a market already available to ARIN and APNIC LIRs;<br>><br>> d. Will allow AfriNIC LIRs with excess IPs to transfer to companies in other RIR regions.<br>
><br>> 3.0 Proposal<br>><br>> AfriNIC members can transfer part or all of their IPv4 addresses to any company under the following criteria:<br>><br>> 3.1 AfriNIC will recognize inter-RIR IPv4 address transfers only when the counterpart RIR has an inter-RIR transfer policy that permits the transfer of address space between AfriNIC and its own region<br>
><br>> 3.2 The minimum transfer size is a /24. The IPv4 address space should be under the management of the RIR at which the originating LIR holds an account and the authentic holder of the space should match with the source without any disputes.<br>
><br>> 3.3 The originating LIR must provide evidence of compliance with RIR policies with respect to past delegations.<br>><br>> 3.4 The originating LIR and the IPv4 address space transferred are in compliance with the originating RIR’s policy.<br>
><br>><br>> The conditions on the recipient of the transfer will be defined by the RIR where the recipient organization holds an account. The following conditions will therefore apply to the destination LIR:<br>><br>
><br>> 3.5 The destination LIR and the IPv4 address space transferred are in compliance with the Destination RIR’s policies (see section 5.0 References for ARIN policy).<br>><br>> 3.6 There must be an inter-RIR IPv4 transfer policy in effect in the Destination RIR service region at the time of transfer.<br>
><br>> 4.0 Revision History<br>><br>> None<br>><br>> 5.0 References<br>><br>> • <a href="https://www.arin.net/resources/request/transfers_8_4.html" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/resources/request/transfers_8_4.html</a><br>
> • <a href="https://www.apnic.net/policy/transfer-policy" target="_blank">https://www.apnic.net/policy/transfer-policy</a><br>><br>> __________________________________________________<br>><br>> Regards,<br>
> Ernest.<br>> _______________________________________________<br>> rpd mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a><br>> <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/rpd" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/rpd</a><br>
<br><br><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:#888888">--</span></span><span style="color:#888888"><br><span>Cheers,</span><br><br><span>McTim</span><br><span>"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A</span><br>
<span>route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel</span></span><u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">_______________________________________________<br>rpd mailing list<br><a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a><br>
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