<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br><div><div>On Jul 23, 2012, at 4:08 AM, Andrew Alston wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">AHA, <div><br></div><div>Thank you Badu...<br><div><br></div><div>Let's look at this now in the context of a University Student residence.</div><div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>So an internet café has occasional users <b>who do not have a permanent<br>assignment from the café. </b> So they would be an enterprise in this context<br>getting an allocation from an LIR. However if they got the allocation from<br>an RIR it still would not make them an LIR.<br><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Student residences are assigned by DHCP, from DHCP servers controlled by the central IT department. No student has a permanent assignment, they cannot route their addresses seperately, they have no control over the backend infrastructure. By your own wording there, that eliminates the LIR definition.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Nor does any residential subscriber of any cable MSO that I am aware of.</div><div><br></div><div>I do not believe for one second that it makes the cable MSO not an LIR.</div><div><br></div><div>It is the (quasi) permanent nature of the connection and not the address itself which defines the relationship, IMHO.</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><div><div><br></div><div>Since the debate ALL seems to be around the students use of IP space on a campus and in residences, I believe this answers that question...</div><div><br></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>More specifically the in residence usage. The transient use around campus is, I believe, pretty universally agreed to be under the same end-user model as the coffee shop.</div><div><br></div><div>Owen</div><div><br></div></body></html>