<html><head></head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Is the underlining suggestion that the universities pay more?<br><br>On Jul 21, 2012, at 4:28, "Duncan Martin" <<a href="mailto:ceo@tenet.ac.za">ceo@tenet.ac.za</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<div dir="ltr"><font color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial">I support Sunday's call for a review of AfriNIC's fee structures.</font></div>
<div dir="ltr"><font color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial">The present huge differences between the fees charged to End-Users and those charged to LIRs show that AfriNIC's fees are not based on cost-recovery, as would befit a non-profit entity, but, evidently, on perceptions of the prices and implicit cross-subsidisations that different market segments will tolerate.</font></div>
<div dir="ltr"><font color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial">If definitions of End Users and LIRs and distinctions between End Users and LIRs are indeed required in AfriNIC's fee structures, should these not be justified in terms of AfriNIC's obligations and responsibility as a RIR to ensure/promote good Internet numbering practice in the Region?</font></div>
<div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial">Duncan Martin</font></div>
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<div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:rpd-bounces@afrinic.net">rpd-bounces@afrinic.net</a> on behalf of Sunday Folayan<br><b>Sent:</b> Fri 2012/07/20 09:36 PM<br><b>To:</b> Guy Antony Halse<br><b>Cc:</b> AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AfriNIC-rpd] Definitions of LIR versus End User<br></font><br></div></div>
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<p>All of this exercise at definitions and ambiguity discoveries points to a total warp in the afrinic fee structure. That is what needs equitable review, not definitions.</p>
<p>My 1 micro-lira.</p>
<p>SF.</p>
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</p><blockquote type="cite">On 13 Jul 2012 08:13, "Guy Antony Halse" <<a href="mailto:G.halse@ru.ac.za">G.halse@ru.ac.za</a>> wrote:<br><br>Hi<br>
<p><font color="#500050"><br>On Wed 2012-07-11 (20:12), Seun Ojedeji wrote:<br>> end-user:<br>> An end-user is an organization receivi...</font></p>When coupled with the definition of LIR:<br>
<p><font color="#500050"><br>> > A Local Internet Registry (LIR) is an IR that receives allocations from<br>> > an RIR and primaril...</font></p>this creates exactly the sort of ambiguity I referred to previously.<br><br>There exists the potential for an organisation that neither uses its IP<br>assignments *exclusively* for its internal use, nor *primarily* assigns<br>address space to end-users. (Note the emphasised words.) From the<br>discussions, most universities come to mind.<br><br>Ergo (at least some) universities are neither end-users nor LIRs.<br><br>Which is why I think that end-user should be !(LIR || RIR).<br>
<p><font color="#500050"><br>- Guy<br>-- <br>Systems Manager, IT Division, Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa<br>Email: G.Halse...</font></p>
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