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<FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><B>From:</B> Nii Narku Quaynor [mailto:quaynor@ghana.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sat 2012/07/21 03:41 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Duncan Martin<BR><B>Cc:</B> SM; AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [AfriNIC-rpd] Definitions of LIR versus End User<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Please Martin,<BR><BR>On Jul 21, 2012, at 13:31, "Duncan Martin" <<A href="mailto:ceo@tenet.ac.za">ceo@tenet.ac.za</A>> wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT color=#000000 size=2 face=Arial>Hi Sunday</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT size=2 face=Arial>By good numbering practices I mean broadly practices that enable systematic aggregation of prefixes in accordance with the CIDR scheme; discourage hoarding of and exaggerated applications for number resources; and reduce the need for systemic dependence upon NAT within organisational networks.</FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV>Are you really saying AfriNIC is encouraging hoarding? Disaggregation of prefixes? Increasing dependence on NATs relative to other RIRs?</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff>Nii! Not at all! It is you who insist on imagining prior positions in my mind that have lead me to post what I did. The idea in this thread that I accuse AfriNIC of not promoting good numbering practices is entirely of your invention. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff>I asked how AfriNIC's promotion of good numbering practice demands the present fee strucutre for End-Users and LIRs. I hypothesised that it doesn't. In three postings you've not attempted any kind of answer. Perhaps someone else will.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff>Over and out.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff>Duncan<BR></FONT><BR></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT size=2 face=Arial>What did you have in mind when you wrote about the "total warp in the AfriNIN fee structure"?</FONT></DIV>
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<FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><B>From:</B> SM [mailto:sm@resistor.net]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sat 2012/07/21 01:27 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Duncan Martin<BR><B>Cc:</B> AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [AfriNIC-rpd] Definitions of LIR versus End User<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P><FONT size=2>Hi Duncan,<BR>At 21:28 20-07-2012, Duncan Martin wrote:<BR>>The present huge differences between the fees charged to End-Users<BR>>and those charged to LIRs show that AfriNIC's fees are not based on<BR>>cost-recovery, as would befit a non-profit entity, but, evidently,<BR>>on perceptions of the prices and implicit cross-subsidisations that<BR>>different market segments will tolerate.<BR>>If definitions of End Users and LIRs and distinctions between End<BR>>Users and LIRs are indeed required in AfriNIC's fee structures,<BR>>should these not be justified in terms of AfriNIC's obligations and<BR>>responsibility as a RIR to ensure/promote good Internet numbering<BR>>practice in the Region?<BR><BR>If you think of it there isn't any constraint in existing policies<BR>about fees. The contractual agreement uses wording from existing<BR>policies. In simple terms you can change the fees without changing<BR>the policies. The difference between End-Users and LIRs is more<BR>about legacy definitions. I generally ask the person soliciting my<BR>vote what he or she will do for me. If the person says that he or<BR>she will ensure good Internet numbering practices are followed, I<BR>would not understand what that means.<BR><BR>Cost recovery and cross-subsidization are two different matters. How<BR>would cost recovery be determined assuming that it does not allow for<BR>any cross-subsidization?<BR><BR>Regards,<BR>-sm<BR><BR></FONT></P></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
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