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On Jun 29, 2012 1:20 PM, "Owen DeLong" <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>Policy at ARIN is much like that of AfriNIC. If you are assigning addresses to external entities, you are an LIR. If you are not, you are an end-user. </p>
<p>You have summed this up perfectly, and I think the phrase "external entities" is what needs to be put in perspective. As far as each Nigeria institution is concerned, it does not classify it's faculties, departments, staff quarters, classrooms, dorms, and admin blocks as external entities. So that makes us an end user right?<br>
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<p>For the most part, ARIN allows for organizations to self-select a category, but, there are also advantages and disadvantages associated with each category which tend to push organizations into selecting the correct category to avoid boxing themselves into an uncomfortable corner later.</p>
<p>Sure everything has pros and cons and the option for a university to either sign up for end user or LIR is there, hence the reason why SF gave an example of a university being an ISP. The point is if I opt for end user option, why should I be denied and given only LIR option when I am not providing service to an external entity (using how external entity is viewed by law in my institution).<br>
At this point, it can only make sense of AfriNIC note points me to their own policy terms which defines external policies as different from the way I understood it.<br>
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> You would not say that an apartment complex which provides internet to every apartment is an end-user, (or at least I would not), but, would classify them as an LIR because they provide addressing to support networks which are not within their administrative control.<br>
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How do you mean the networks are not within administrative control...Owen the service is not stationary it's suppose to be distributed to all the university community users and ofcourse they will require IP address to connect to the university network. So if I shutdown for instance my dhcp server, will they still be able to use the service? Is that not me controlling the network?</p>
<p>> After it hits the first router in the dorm-room, anything behind that is not within the university's administrative control. </p>
<p>Ah! Are you kidding me. Who bought the router and placed it there in the first place? who provided IP service to the router. I think you are using the term administrative control wrongly(this is basic networking). </p>
<p>Hence, I argue that dorms are, in fact, external connections where the university is acting as an ISP.<br>
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As a matter of fact, most internet users are ISP in practical (not in policy) cos you could just share your pppoe connection in your household.</p>
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> IMHO there are policy issues which go beyond price.<br>
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And what are the policy issues that goes beyond pricing on the current subject matter. <br>
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I am gonna assume Owen is just having fun and not responding based on facts and realities on ground. This issue is of importance to African universities and I urge you to be objective on this matter. Many universities are still looking to one day when they did be able to sign up for their space and if the cost is by anyhow further increased, it gives we engineers more though time to convince the school admins to pay that much for what is unseen!</p>
<p>I hope you will identify with my views.</p>
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