Aahh Seun, <div><br></div><div>Thank you for this, what you've said below actually helps. See comments inline.</div><div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class="gmail_quote"><div><br>I think i need a few clarification on this as while i was with University of Nigeria, Nsukka(UNN). We requested for allocation and i could remember the words used when Afrinic finally approved (they said they will allocate /16 prefix - Extra Large End-USer). We were referred to as Extra Large End-user, in this case i would think that space is large enough and normally should be classified as LIR. So if i may ask from what allocation exactly does Afrinic starts classifying institutional block request as LIR?<br>
</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I have to wonder this as well, since AfriNIC simply insists that this is an LIR, but as of yet still hasn't given clear justification for this. The university in question has requested a /15, with immediate use of over 70% of the block for internal use, but apparently they are still an LIR and the reasoning I have been given as of yet unofficially is that universities have faculties, and these often operate autonomously. I protested this to no avail, even pointing out that no faculty has its own IT department. </div>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span>This amounts to AfriNIC putting institutions
in a position where they are forced to utilize NAT, which is to their
disadvantage, if they do not wish to pay LIR fees.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div></blockquote></div><div>With a /16 for a institution like UNN, i don't think NAT will be required. <br><div class="im"><br></div></div></div></blockquote><div>Unfortunately with this institution a /16 would force NAT, no question about it. The IP addressing plan made this extremely clear. </div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="im"><p class="MsoNormal"><br></p><p class="MsoNormal">[3.2] Where a university was connecting schools, or
affiliated institutions, the institution would still be classified as an LIR,
and assignment of PI space to such by a university would be prohibited</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><p class="MsoNormal">I think this part is not clear, why will assignment of PI space be prohibited? A scenario; again UNN which is multi-campus, the /16 were allocated was requested based on plan that it will be shared across the campuses. Does that make us a LIR? I think we are still an End user. Maybe the scenario you are painting is applicable with institution acting as RENs. In view of this, Perhaps 3.2 can then be edited as thus:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br></p><p style="color:rgb(0,153,0)" class="MsoNormal">[3.2(V1)] Where a institution "Acting as a REN" was connecting schools, or
affiliated institutions, the "REN acting institution" would still be classified as an LIR,
and assignment of PI space to such by a connecting university would be prohibited</p><div class="im"><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I included this because here I can see AfriNIC's case, assignment of space by a university to an external legal entity is acting as an LIR, though I would agree, at that point the university is in some way acting as an educational network. Irrespective that makes them an LIR. I would hesitate though to refer to any university as a REN, because that opens a whole other can of worms :) But that point is something we could definitely discuss.</div>
<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="im"><p class="MsoNormal"></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">[3.3] Where a university had an autonomous faculty that was
independent of central IT, the faculty themselves would have to apply for
membership and PI space, or alternatively the university would have to apply
for LIR status.</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br></p></div><p class="MsoNormal">I don't think there is need for this, such faculty should ask for allocation from the "IT department" space, the IT department is not acting on his own, it is on behalf of the university and it is expected that when they made request its justification was based on the faculties and general campus users<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>The reason behind this is to cover such cases as faculties that are ENTIRELY independent, but again, I tend to agree with you here and would be happy to remove it. This was added almost as a compromise solution to deal with departments within universities who acted with total autonomy, their own IT departments, their own internet connections. I don't actually know of any such cases, but hey, they might exist.</div>
<div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="im"><p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">[3.4] Under this policy, it is proposed that universities
would, as part of the application criteria for resources, have to acknowledge
in writing that they are not providing such resources to other autonomous
entities.</p>
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</div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>This i think should be agreement signed by any other ISP if this is to be implemented(jokes). But in the real sense does it matter whether the university allocate part of her space to someone else or not?</span><br clear="all">
</p></div></div><br></blockquote><div>It does if it makes them an LIR :) </div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for your comments.</div><div><br></div><div>Andrew</div><div><br></div></div></div>