<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><div><div><p align="justify" class="body-mainText" style="padding-left: 6px; "><div style="text-align: -webkit-auto;"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Garamond,sans-serif">It seems you are right walu. I do not know the full story behind the original bylaws but you are right. Looking at the bylaws, the Associate have technically the same rights as the full member and it does seem that the Associates are "LIRs" as per the document and the Full Members are Board Members.</font></div><div style="text-align: -webkit-auto;"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Garamond,sans-serif"><br></font></div><div style="text-align: -webkit-auto;"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Garamond,sans-serif">Sections 6, 7 , 8, 9 & 10 seems to stipulate exactly your point which does not cut off the powers of the LIRs just some small stuffs that differs.</font></div><div style="text-align: -webkit-auto;"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Garamond,sans-serif"><br></font></div><div style="text-align: -webkit-auto;"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Garamond,sans-serif">Just one thing that just hit me whilst going through the bylaws. So basically as stipulated the Board who are full members approve the application of the "LIR" and by way of board decision appoint the "LIR" as an Associate as per article 6.4. Is this what I understand? </font></div></p></div></div></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Garamond, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; "><br></div><span id="OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 14px; font-family: Garamond, sans-serif; "><div style="font-family:Calibri; font-size:11pt; text-align:left; color:black; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt"><span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span> Walubengo J <<a href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span> Sat, 18 Jun 2011 09:26:31 -0700 (PDT)<br><span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span> nii quaynor <<a href="mailto:quaynor@ghana.com">quaynor@ghana.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:mje@posix.co.za">mje@posix.co.za</a>" <<a href="mailto:mje@posix.co.za">mje@posix.co.za</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span> rpd <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span> Re: [AfriNIC-rpd] Handover to new PDWG co-chairs<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE" style="BORDER-LEFT: #b5c4df 5 solid; PADDING:0 0 0 5; MARGIN:0 0 0 5;"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">Nii, Mark,<br><br>the reason LIR are "Associate" members while Board members are "Full" members was simply to get around the Mauritian laws. <br><br>Incidentally, the powers of both Full and Associates are technically the same but according the Mauritian laws if LIR were to be full-members, they would explode the number of "directors of the company" to point where the company became a company limited (read commercial) rather than a "non-profit" (read NGO) setup that we currently are.<br><br>To get around this, only the 6 primary directors are registered as "the Directors" for Afrinic, which then allows afrinic to enjoy the benefits of an non-profit organisation (e.g. tax rebates,etc).<br><br>walu.<br>nb: am sure legal (Ashok) can expound on this or Alan B (regarded as one of the key contributers of the Afrinic constitution)<br><br><br><br><br>--- On
<b>Sat, 6/18/11, Mark Elkins <i><<a href="mailto:mje@posix.co.za">mje@posix.co.za</a>></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: Mark Elkins <<a href="mailto:mje@posix.co.za">mje@posix.co.za</a>><br>Subject: Re: [AfriNIC-rpd] Handover to new PDWG co-chairs<br>To: "nii quaynor" <<a href="mailto:quaynor@ghana.com">quaynor@ghana.com</a>><br>Cc: "rpd" <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>Date: Saturday, June 18, 2011, 4:13 PM<br><br><div class="plainMail">On Sat, 2011-06-18 at 12:27 +0000, nii quaynor wrote:<br>> On Jun 16, 2011, at 3:57 PM, Mark Elkins wrote:<br>> <br>> > <br>> > Board members are simply (full) members of the Company.<br>> > Those who have resources from AfriNIC are also (associate) Members.<br>> > Members can vote, provide policy - etc - just like the share holders of<br>> > a 'normal' company.<br>> > Staff at a 'normal' company don't usually have that type of privilege<br>> > unless they are
shareholders.<br>> > <br>> <br>> Why are the LIRs associate. <br><br>Interesting question.<br><br>> What has happened to community oversight for major decisions including<br>> approving reports if the real members have become associates. Who would<br>> have the last word on oversight of AfriNIC if the resource users are<br>> the associates.<br><br>Ask the original (founding) AfriNIC Board members. I'd assume from a<br>historical basis that they were intrinsically involved in the Founding<br>Documentation, Structure of the Company, Bylaws - etc.<br><br>> Is this what other RIRs do?<br><br>> I dont get it<br>> <br>> Nii<br><br>-- <br> . . ___. .__ Posix Systems - Sth Africa<br> /| /| / /__ <a ymailto="mailto:mje@posix.co.za" href="/mc/compose?to=mje@posix.co.za">mje@posix.co.za</a> - Mark J
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