<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><br></div>Walu,<div><br></div><div>Your characterization is not entirely correct. I have some knowledge of what happened, but, it</div><div>is limited. I will stick to what I know factually and leave out my opinions for now...</div><div><br></div><div>1.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>M$ and Nortel had come to an agreement in Bankruptcy court.</div><div>2.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Nortel was apparently selling M$ addresses that they had obtained through the</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>acquisition of other entities, though they had never formalized these acquisitions</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>with ARIN.</div><div>3.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>ARIN approved the transfer to M$ under NRPM section 8.3 and I believe the process</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>of doing so is still on-going.</div><div><br></div><div>4.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>According to John Curran, M$ did provide a needs-basis justification for the</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>addresses they are receiving in this process.</div><div><br></div><div>5.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>M$ is signing a modified Legacy Registration Services Agreement with ARIN.</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"><br></span></div><div>6.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>The exact nature of the agreement is unknown outside of ARIN staff, legal, and</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>M$.</div><div><br></div><div>7.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>The court allowed M$ to keep the exact address ranges secret.</div><div><br></div><div>The policy was not put in place special for M$ and has been on the books for some</div><div>time. The policy was originally approved through the emergency PDP within ARIN,</div><div>but, did not get implemented until it had been returned to the regular policy development</div><div>process, so, it was not, in fact, rushed through.</div><div><br></div><div>For reference, the relevant ARIN draft policies were 2008-2, 2008-15, and 2009-1.</div><div><br></div><div>All of the policies and their progress are published on the ARIN web site. <a href="http://www.arin.net">http://www.arin.net</a>.</div><div><br></div><div>This transfer policy is not legacy-specific.</div><div><br></div><div>Owen</div><div><br></div><div><div><div>On May 9, 2011, at 4:17 AM, Walubengo J wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" style="position: static; z-index: auto; "><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">@Mark,<br><br>M$ bought the legacy space with a lot of $$$. What I liked is that ARIN quickly got M$ to subsequently put this space under their Service Contracts. I think they fast-fowarded a Policy around this (anyone with specific/actual url on this?)<br><br>Am just wondering maybe AfriNIC should discuss a similar policy since we do have quite some legacy space particular in SA which according to contemporary understanding AfriNIC cannot control its "departure"/"exchange".<br><br>walu. <br><br>--- On <b>Sun, 5/8/11, Mark Elkins <i><<a href="mailto:mje@posix.co.za">mje@posix.co.za</a>></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: Mark Elkins <<a href="mailto:mje@posix.co.za">mje@posix.co.za</a>><br>Subject: RE: [AfriNIC-rpd] AFPUB-2011-v4-003-draft-02 - Limited Out of Region Allocation of IPv4 Resources<br>To:
<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a><br>Date: Sunday, May 8, 2011, 9:12 PM<br><br><div class="plainMail">Oh? - why do you want to wait until they are completely out rather than<br>just in their final /8 - which restricts LIR's to a single /22 (or<br>something similar)? Most Soft landing policies have something like that.<br><br>...except ARIN who does not have a soft landing policy (just lots of<br>historical legacy space to re-sell....)<br><br>I'd be happy allowing anyone that has a need to have these addresses -<br>at a price of course!<br><br>(What did Microsoft recently pay per IPv4 address?) <br><br>On Sun, 2011-05-08 at 19:30 +0200, Andrew Alston wrote:<br>> Hi There,<br>> <br>> Not until such time as APNIC is completely out of address space, if I<br>> recall they are currently in their last /8, but they are still<br>> allocating from within that. <br>> <br>> Once they state "We cannot allocate ANY more" this would start to apply<br>> <br>>
Thanks<br>> <br>> Andrew<br>> <br>> <br>> > -----Original Message-----<br>> > From: <a ymailto="mailto:rpd-bounces@afrinic.net" href="x-msg://125/mc/compose?to=rpd-bounces@afrinic.net">rpd-bounces@afrinic.net</a> [mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:rpd-bounces@afrinic.net" href="x-msg://125/mc/compose?to=rpd-bounces@afrinic.net">rpd-bounces@afrinic.net</a>] On<br>> > Behalf Of SM<br>> > Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 6:54 PM<br>> > To: <a ymailto="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" href="x-msg://125/mc/compose?to=rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a><br>> > Subject: [AfriNIC-rpd] AFPUB-2011-v4-003-draft-02 - Limited Out of<br>> > Region Allocation of IPv4 Resources<br>> > <br>> > Hi,<br>> > <br>> > I have a few comments about AFPUB-2011-v4-003-draft-02 (Limited Out<br>> > of Region Allocation of IPv4 Resources). In Section 3:<br>> > <br>> > "Upon the depletion of IPv4 resources within any of the
RIPE/<br>> APNIC/<br>> > LACNIC/ ARIN regions, AfriNIC will begin to allow foreign entities<br>> > to take membership of AfriNIC and under such foreign membership<br>> > obtain allocations of space, made available from a single /8 out<br>> > of AfriNIC's IP space holding."<br>> > <br>> > As APNIC is in Stage Three of IPv4 exhaustion in the Asia Pacific,<br>> > would this proposal be applicable for that region?<br>> > <br>> > Section 4 and 5 contains the same text. The Revision History also<br>> > contains that text.<br>> > <br>> > Regards,<br>> > -sm<br>> > <br>> > _______________________________________________<br>> > rpd mailing list<br>> > <a ymailto="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" href="x-msg://125/mc/compose?to=rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a><br>> > <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/rpd" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/rpd</a><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> rpd mailing list<br>> <a ymailto="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" href="x-msg://125/mc/compose?to=rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a><br>> <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/rpd" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/rpd</a><br><br>-- <br> . . ___. .__ Posix Systems - Sth Africa<br> /| /| / /__ <a ymailto="mailto:mje@posix.co.za" href="x-msg://125/mc/compose?to=mje@posix.co.za">mje@posix.co.za</a> - Mark J Elkins, Cisco CCIE<br>/ |/ |ARK \_/ /__ LKINS Tel: +27 12 807 0590 Cell: +27 82 601 0496<br><br></div><br>-----Inline Attachment Follows-----<br><br><div class="plainMail">_______________________________________________<br>rpd mailing list<br><a ymailto="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" href="x-msg://125/mc/compose?to=rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a><br><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/rpd" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/rpd</a><br></div></blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table>_______________________________________________<br>rpd mailing list<br><a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a><br>https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/rpd<br></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>