<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br><div><div>On Feb 15, 2011, at 9:57 AM, Andrew Alston wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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<!-- Converted from text/plain format --><div><font size="2">Hi All,<br>
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There is a second version of this policy proposal which I have emailed to<br>
policy-submission and will hopefully be posted soon, but some comments:<br>
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> For now, I am neutral with regard to this proposal.<br>
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> I do have some questions I think are worth considering...<br>
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> 1. By runout in one of the other RIRs, it is possible AfriNIC's inventory<br>
> could be less than<br>
> a /8. In such an event, this policy would allow AfriNIC to sell its entire<br>
> remaining inventory.<br>
> Is that the intent?<br>
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Negative, the soft landing policy as it currently stands would prevent this<br>
policy from taking effect if this is the case. I however do not believe<br>
that is even vaguely likely.<br>
<br></font></div></div></blockquote>I would say this policy conflicts with the soft landing policy in that</div><div>regard. As such, usually the most recently adopted policy wins in</div><div>such cases of conflict. I confess I am not sure how the AfriNIC</div><div>rules resolve conflicts between policies such as these.</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><font size="2">
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> 2. The premium price of 2x current rate will be well below likely market<br>
> prices in the<br>
> address trading markets established by ARIN, RIPE, and APNIC policies. (not<br>
> sure<br>
> if LACNIC has a trading policy), virtually guaranteeing that AfriNIC will be a<br>
> preferred<br>
> source unti the inventory is exhausted. Likely you could significantly<br>
> increase the<br>
> pricing if you tied this policy to market values in some way. If the intent is<br>
> to maximize<br>
> revenues for AfriNIC, then, perhaps that would be worth considering.<br>
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The LIR * 2 membership fee is a "foreign penalty", it is not meant to<br>
MAXIMIZE revenues, it is simply meant to make it slightly more fair. People<br>
aren't BUYING ip space under this proposal, they are taking membership of<br>
AfriNIC from an external source. Therefore the LIR Rate * 2 is a membership<br>
rate + external penalty almost, and is recurring revenue.<br>
<br></font></div></div></blockquote>The policy should probably state that as the intent. The current</div><div>wording makes it sound more like revenue for AfriNIC is the</div><div>over-arching goal.</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><font size="2">
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> 3. I believe the claims that AfriNIC space will be used by foreign entities<br>
> whether AfriNIC<br>
> makes it available or not are essentially specious and mostly FUD[1]. However,<br>
> the<br>
> passage of policies like this could turn such statements into self-fulfilling<br>
> prophecies.<br>
> Is that the intent?<br>
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No, since I do not agree with you whatsoever that this is "fud." I've seen<br>
enough talk in the general industry about how this can be achieved through<br>
shelf companies and other such means to indicate that people are already<br>
thinking along these lines. This policy is meant to discourage it being<br>
done via subterfuge and legitimize it.<br>
<br></font></div></div></blockquote>I've seen the same talk. I believe that talk to be FUD. Using</div><div>the FUD from other sources does not substantiate a claim</div><div>that it is not FUD.</div><div><br></div><div>People will steal anyway. I do not favor legitimizing theft so that</div><div>people will not conceal it through subterfuge.</div><div><br></div><div>Owen</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><font size="2">
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> Owen<br>
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> [1] FUD -- Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt: An attempt to bolster one's argument<br>
> by presenting<br>
> the specter of some future event, no matter how unlikely, as a serious threat.<br>
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> On Feb 15, 2011, at 6:46 AM, Mukom Akong T wrote:<br>
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>> Dear Colleagues,<br>
>><br>
>> You can find it at<br>
>> <a href="http://www.afrinic.net/docs/policies/AFPUB-2011-v4-003-draft-01.htm">http://www.afrinic.net/docs/policies/AFPUB-2011-v4-003-draft-01.htm</a>. See a<br>
>> text version below:<br>
>><br>
>> Regards<br>
>> ________<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Unique identifier: AFPUB-2011-v4-003-draft-01<br>
>> Draft Policy Name: Out of Region Sales for IPv4 Space<br>
>> Author: Andrew Alson | <a href="mailto:aa@tenet.ac.za">aa@tenet.ac.za</a> | TENET South Africa<br>
>> Draft Policy Version: 01<br>
>> Submission Date: February 10th 2011<br>
>> Related Policies:<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> 1.0 Summary of the Problem Being Addressed by this Policy Proposal<br>
>><br>
>> With IANA already developing policies for the transfer of space between RIR’s<br>
>> and with the depletion of IPv4 space in other regions approaching faster and<br>
>> faster every day, there is a high likelihood that the rest of the world will<br>
>> turn to the unused African allocations for more IPv4 space. With AfriNIC<br>
>> having enough space to last what amounts to a couple of years, there is<br>
>> sufficient space to allow for sale of a portion of this space outside of the<br>
>> African region.<br>
>><br>
>> 2.0. Summary of How this Proposal Addresses the Problem Above<br>
>><br>
>> This proposal prevents the situation where foreign entities are trying to<br>
>> grab the space through illicit means, and regulate the distribution of the<br>
>> space while providing some benefit back to the African community. This<br>
>> policy will also allow for further revenue streams into AfriNIC, which can be<br>
>> used for the active promotion and development of IPv6. Further more, the<br>
>> policy will prevent a situation where we are sitting with large blocks of<br>
>> unused IPv4 space long after such space becomes useable, due to the rest of<br>
>> the world having migrated to IPv6.<br>
>><br>
>> 3.0 The proposal:<br>
>><br>
>> On the date of depletion of IPv4 resources within either the<br>
>> RIPE/APNIC/LACNIC/ARIN regions, AfriNIC will make available space out of a<br>
>> single unallocated /8 for sale to foreign entities.<br>
>><br>
>> 3.1 Such space will be sold at a premium price, currently for the purposes<br>
>> of this proposal at LIR rate + 100% in order to allow for growth in AfriNIC<br>
>> revenue streams .<br>
>><br>
>> 3.2 The foreign entities applying for this space will have to meet all<br>
>> standard AfriNIC space allocation requirements.<br>
>><br>
>> 3.3 No more than one /8 out of the available AfriNIC space will be made<br>
>> available for this purpose.<br>
>><br>
>> 4.0 Summary<br>
>><br>
>> While this policy may seem like a potential way to allow the rest of the<br>
>> world to pillage the African resources, it can be argued that the space will<br>
>> be used by foreign entities irrespective of the will of the African<br>
>> community. This policy merely allows the African community to, in some small<br>
>> way, benefit from the resources we have available.<br>
>><br>
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