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Ok, I'll come slightly out of lurk mode too, then...<br>
<br>
It seems that a lot of the arguments and discussion about this proposal
hinge on the ease of setting up the abuse contact object (whether IRT
or abuse-c). But it seems that we're arguing based on a number of
not-yet-validated assumptions about how it would be implemented, and
arguing about the ideal backend database object, when what we really
care about is the front end: how easy it is to provide the necessary
information, and how easy it is to query for it.<br>
<br>
So perhaps it would be useful to first come to a rough consensus on the
ideal way for block holders to provide abuse contact info on the front
end, and let that debate (and the ease of implementation for AfriNIC
staff) determine the precise object type on the back end...<br>
<br>
-Scott<br>
<br>
On Tue 7/6/2010 12:16 PM, Borg wrote:
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 6 July 2010 21:45, Owen DeLong <span
dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:owen@delong.com">owen@delong.com</a>></span>
wrote:
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style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">I
am not a stakeholder in this region, so, you are welcome to take or
leave<br>
my advice.</blockquote>
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<div>Since there is only one Internet ... valuable contributions are
welcome from all corners.</div>
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However, it is my not so humble opinion that down this road<br>
lies madness.<br>
<br>
Owen<br>
<br>
I will now attempt to return to lurker mode.<br>
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<div>On the contrary ... the lurkers like us need one of us to come
out once in a while and speak. It would be very sad if a proposal
simpley passed without debate . So ... permission to return to lurker
base denied. :-)</div>
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On Jul 6, 2010, at 4:51 AM, Tobias Knecht wrote:<br>
<br>
> Hello again,<br>
><br>
>>> Are there any questions about the intent of this policy
proposal?<br>
>><br>
>> I am curious as to why you are still pushing this obviously
unwanted<br>
>> idea? How does this help your working model/biz model?<br>
><br>
> Because it is needed! And it is not changing our working model/biz
model<br>
> in either way. It is helping the idea of "Global Reporting" and
it's<br>
> helping the idea of collaboration between ISPs and network owners.<br>
><br>
> I'm pushing this idea, because I'm certain about it. I have seen
that<br>
> collaboration works, that Global Reporting works, that publishing
the<br>
> correct abuse handling contacts and handling the incoming abuse<br>
> complaints helps network owners to clean up their network.<br>
><br>
> In addition I have not heard any arguments that told me it is a bad<br>
> idea, quite the contrary. And the argument we have done it that
way for<br>
> the last 15 years is not an argument, it's an excuse for doing
nothing.<br>
><br>
> So I'm absolutely happy to hear your arguments about this proposal
and<br>
> discuss with you and any other person why it is important to
implement<br>
> this proposal.<br>
><br>
>> I still think you are ignoring the realities of object
creation in the<br>
>> AfriNIC region (we don't do it for the most part, even when we<br>
>> should).<br>
><br>
> Just because it is like it is at the moment does first of all not
imply<br>
> that it is good. And in addition it does not imply that it has to
be<br>
> that way in future.<br>
><br>
> Thanks,<br>
><br>
> Tobias<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://abusix.org" target="_blank">abusix.org</a><br>
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