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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 6 July 2010 21:45, Owen DeLong <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com">owen@delong.com</a>></span> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
I am not a stakeholder in this region, so, you are welcome to take or leave<br>
my advice.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Since there is only one Internet ... valuable contributions are welcome from all corners.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
However, it is my not so humble opinion that down this road<br>
lies madness.<br>
<br>
Owen<br>
<br>
I will now attempt to return to lurker mode.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>On the contrary ... the lurkers like us need one of us to come out once in a while and speak. It would be very sad if a proposal simpley passed without debate . So ... permission to return to lurker base denied. :-)</div>
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On Jul 6, 2010, at 4:51 AM, Tobias Knecht wrote:<br>
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> Hello again,<br>
><br>
>>> Are there any questions about the intent of this policy proposal?<br>
>><br>
>> I am curious as to why you are still pushing this obviously unwanted<br>
>> idea? How does this help your working model/biz model?<br>
><br>
> Because it is needed! And it is not changing our working model/biz model<br>
> in either way. It is helping the idea of "Global Reporting" and it's<br>
> helping the idea of collaboration between ISPs and network owners.<br>
><br>
> I'm pushing this idea, because I'm certain about it. I have seen that<br>
> collaboration works, that Global Reporting works, that publishing the<br>
> correct abuse handling contacts and handling the incoming abuse<br>
> complaints helps network owners to clean up their network.<br>
><br>
> In addition I have not heard any arguments that told me it is a bad<br>
> idea, quite the contrary. And the argument we have done it that way for<br>
> the last 15 years is not an argument, it's an excuse for doing nothing.<br>
><br>
> So I'm absolutely happy to hear your arguments about this proposal and<br>
> discuss with you and any other person why it is important to implement<br>
> this proposal.<br>
><br>
>> I still think you are ignoring the realities of object creation in the<br>
>> AfriNIC region (we don't do it for the most part, even when we<br>
>> should).<br>
><br>
> Just because it is like it is at the moment does first of all not imply<br>
> that it is good. And in addition it does not imply that it has to be<br>
> that way in future.<br>
><br>
> Thanks,<br>
><br>
> Tobias<br>
><br>
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