<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><DIV><DIV>On Sep 10, 2007, at 3:55 PM, McTim wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">On 9/10/07, Colin Alston <<A href="mailto:colin@thusa.co.za">colin@thusa.co.za</A>> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">On 10/09/2007 11:54 McTim wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Where are you seeing this text?</DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="http://www.afrinic.org/docs/policies/afpol-v6200407-000.htm">http://www.afrinic.org/docs/policies/afpol-v6200407-000.htm</A></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">5.1.1 (c) and (d) which is held for the aforementioned organizations</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">by 5.7.</DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">You are confused.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>There is no 3 day text there. There is 12 month text there.</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV>I think he meant the number of days before the 12 month period expires.</DIV><DIV><BR><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">If folk don't announce the IP space in 12 months, do we want to set</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">back IPv6 deployment efforts by taking it away from them? I think not.</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV>I agree with McTim.</DIV><DIV><BR><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">The main thing here is that AfriNIC must be renewing these resources,</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">and the same clause must apply to renewal (as per my reading of 5.7).</DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">5.7 ONLY applies to folk who had a /35, and need supersizing.</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">My point is that renewing a /32 allocation to someone that appears to</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">show no interest in making use of it is quite a waste,</DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Do you really care about "wasting" a drop in the bucket?<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>A /32 is</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">miniscule in relation to the entire size of the v6 pool.</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV>(a) I think what's most important is finding ways of encouraging people to deploy v6 and that should be not only the onus of AfriNIC (and other RIR's) but also every one of us.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>(b) And yes, there's an issue of wasting here. If any resource is NOT being used without a valid reason, then that IMHO amounts to wasting.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>(c) Well, one may look at a /32 as a drop in the bucket, but I guess that was the same scenario when IPv4 came. Look at the situation we are in now! Is the current situation (read onset of IPv6 deployment) _relatively the same as it were when we first started using IPv4?</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>(d) We need to develop policies that will help utilise Internet resources, that's the whole idea (correct me if I'm wrong)....policies that will be emulated by other RIR's.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>(e) Colins is right, the IPv6 PA Allocation policy doesn't address the issue of "not-complying-with-the-policy". So in such a scenario, AfriNIC has no mandate to reclaim the used space and as you put it, "the Allocation(s) are auto-magically renewed". This would be a good time for the community to revise this policy. Sad that any changes may only be effected sometime in May next year :-(.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial"><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#010001">The "</FONT></FONT><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial"><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#010001">Policy for IPv6 PI Assignment for End-Sites</FONT></FONT><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial"><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#010001">" reads in part:</FONT></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial"><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#010001"><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></FONT></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial"><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#010001">"...</FONT></FONT><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial"><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#010001">The 'end-site' must show a plan to use and announce the IPv6 provider independent address space within twelve (12) months. After that period, if not announced, the assigned IPv6 PI address space should be reclaimed and returned to the free pool by AfriNIC....</FONT></FONT><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial"><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#010001">"</FONT></FONT></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Regards,</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>-Vincent</DIV></BODY></HTML>