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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=3>Dear All,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial>As usual I'm late in reply but I rely on your generosity and understanding that I was too busy last month.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=3>Hi Bill,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial>Thank you for understanding our situation, and that's why we apply this proposal "<FONT face="Times New Roman">Global Policy for the Allocation of the Remaining IPv4 Address Space</FONT>" for all RIRs, and as you know it get consensus in LACNIC region. But we (the authors) are working to change the value of N to become 2 instead of 5 as it's the value used now by IANA for a request from any RIR. that proposal should be discussed in APNIC24 meeting next Thursday & I hope we can get consensus on it.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><FONT color=#0000ff>Bill Said> So, I encourage everyone to do whatever they can to make IPv6 a reality<SPAN dir=rtl></SPAN><SPAN dir=rtl><SPAN dir=rtl></SPAN> </SPAN>as soon as possible, but also not to burn any bridges behind, just<SPAN dir=rtl></SPAN><SPAN dir=rtl><SPAN dir=rtl></SPAN> </SPAN>yet<SPAN dir=rtl></SPAN></FONT><SPAN lang=AR-SA dir=rtl><SPAN dir=rtl></SPAN><FONT color=#0000ff>. <BR></FONT></SPAN><FONT color=#0000ff>There are a lot of users in the world who won't have access to<SPAN dir=rtl></SPAN><SPAN dir=rtl><SPAN dir=rtl></SPAN> </SPAN>IPv6</FONT><SPAN lang=AR-SA dir=rtl><BR></SPAN><FONT color=#0000ff>content for quite some time, and a lot of content that won't be<SPAN dir=rtl></SPAN><SPAN dir=rtl><SPAN dir=rtl></SPAN> </SPAN>accessible to IPv6-only users for quite some time. Dual-stack deployments<SPAN dir=rtl></SPAN><SPAN dir=rtl><SPAN dir=rtl></SPAN> </SPAN>will exist for quite a while<SPAN dir=rtl></SPAN></FONT><SPAN lang=AR-SA dir=rtl><SPAN dir=rtl></SPAN><FONT color=#0000ff>.<BR style="mso-special-character: line-break"></DIV></FONT></SPAN></SPAN>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><SPAN lang=AR-SA dir=rtl><FONT face=Arial size=3>I do agree with you in that thoughts</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal dir=ltr style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" align=left><FONT size=3><FONT face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><FONT face=Arial size=3>Hi</FONT> <FONT face=Arial size=3>Badru</FONT> <FONT face=Arial size=3>Ntege,</FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal dir=ltr style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" align=left><FONT><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT face=Arial size=3>Badru</FONT> <FONT face=Arial size=3>wrote></FONT></FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#0000ff>(I hasten to add that this is what I'm proposing by redefine<BR>equal distribution to have a weighting towards LACNIC and AfriNIC making<BR>sure that we get a fare share of the V4 pie)</FONT></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal dir=ltr style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" align=left><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><SPAN lang=AR-SA dir=rtl><FONT face=Arial size=3>It's ok for N = 2 as a last allocation for each RIR</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal dir=ltr style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" align=left><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><SPAN lang=AR-SA dir=rtl><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><FONT face=Arial>Thank you for supporting</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal dir=ltr style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hi Jordi,</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal dir=ltr style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Jordi wrote> </SPAN>Also, agree, any new IPv4 resource delivered to existing or new ISP should go<SPAN dir=rtl></SPAN><SPAN dir=rtl><SPAN dir=rtl></SPAN> </SPAN>with a request for IPv6 space and a clear plan for the transition in<SPAN dir=rtl></SPAN><SPAN dir=rtl><SPAN dir=rtl></SPAN> </SPAN>a maximum of 12-18 months. </P>
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<P class=MsoNormal dir=ltr style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT face=Arial>Agree with you (and <SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">I suggested something like that in APNIC policy mailing list as a way to encourage deploying of IPv6</SPAN>).</FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal dir=ltr style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT face=Arial>></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">I think it is clear that people still don't understand that is STILL<BR>POSSIBLE to do the transition with NAT and private addresses if we run out<BR>of IPv4. IPv4 with NAT and private address space is <FONT color=#ff0000>NOT</FONT> the best solution,<BR><FONT color=#ff0000>not</FONT> the optimal one, <FONT color=#ff0000>BUT</FONT> *IT WORKS*. So there is no need to try to extend<BR>IPv4 life and will not be good at all.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal dir=ltr style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">ISP’s (LIRs) when requesting IPv4 from RIR; It doesn’t request it for its core network , it request it for its customers. So when a customer ask for real IPs how could ISP convince him that he could use virtual IPs and apply NAT ? of course customer request depend on his real needs for his applications.</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal dir=ltr style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman">>Developing applications with IPv6 is far more easier than with IPv4 and<SPAN dir=rtl></SPAN><SPAN dir=rtl><SPAN dir=rtl></SPAN> </SPAN>this provides a path for African people to do business while the rest of<SPAN dir=rtl></SPAN><SPAN dir=rtl><SPAN dir=rtl></SPAN> </SPAN>the world is still spending tons of dollars/euros in developing less<SPAN dir=rtl></SPAN><SPAN dir=rtl><SPAN dir=rtl></SPAN> </SPAN>advanced applications that traverse NATs<SPAN dir=rtl></SPAN><SPAN lang=AR-SA dir=rtl><SPAN dir=rtl></SPAN>.</SPAN><SPAN dir=ltr></SPAN><SPAN dir=ltr></SPAN> </FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal dir=ltr style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman">And by the way, I still haven't seen a single network where IPv6 is<SPAN dir=rtl></SPAN><SPAN dir=rtl><SPAN dir=rtl></SPAN> </SPAN>not </FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman">supported. There is always a good walk around for every network case<SPAN dir=rtl></SPAN><SPAN lang=AR-SA dir=rtl><SPAN dir=rtl></SPAN>.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal dir=ltr style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Agree with you no need for NAT as we can have real IPs, But for walk around, It’ll cost money too; as a simple example if provider has router doesn't support IPv6 so as you said he can get a Linux server and operate it as a router which will cost him the price of reliable server can stand with his 24/7 operation and will cost him a securing system to prevent hackers from attacking this Linux server ..</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>>In my experience, it is easier for networks in Africa and <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:place w:st="on">Latin America</st1:place>, to<BR>move to IPv6 than in other regions where they have much bigger networks and<BR>older equipment.</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman">The only thing we do delaying the transition and trying to artificially<BR>increase the availability of IPv4 in the region is damaging the development<BR>of the region, not in the other way around.</FONT></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">As an addition to what Alain Patrick AINA said, then we’ll live in isolated island if we do that before big players did. for example if Google doesn’t have dual stack servers, so how could we reach it without real IPv4 ? and also all free mail servers like yahoo, hotmail, gmail,…etc.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">(Well Jordi we are here in APNIC meeting and we can discuss it better face 2 face).</SPAN></FONT></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT face=Arial>Mark wrote></FONT> AfriNIC could simply make it more difficult to provide the<BR>remainder space.<BR>a) For totally new organizations requesting space - they need to provide IPv6 plans.<BR>b) For organizations with existing space - the need to apply for IPv6<BR>space and show roll-out plans with appropriate time scales before any<BR>new allocations?</FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">Exactly … I agree with you in doing that to encourage the deployment of IPv6 in <st1:place w:st="on">Africa</st1:place> and save -as could as we can- the last allocations AfriNIC will have for new-comers. But it'll be a next phase if we could get consensus on this proposal.</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Frank wrote></SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman">So maybe 3 /8s for AfriNIC, 2 /8s for LACNIC and 1 /8 for the other 3 more<BR>advanced regions could work better when the pool gets to 8 /8s remaining.<BR>The policy could even provide for a return of completely unused /8 blocks<BR>after that specified post-exhaust grace period expires</FONT><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman">.</FONT></SPAN></P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman"></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>ãä:</B> rpd-bounces@afrinic.net ÈÇáäíÇÈÉ Úä Bill Woodcock<BR><B>ÊÇÑíÎ ÇáÅÑÓÇá:</B> ÇáÓÈÊ 8/11/2007 9:03 ã<BR><B>Åáì:</B> Richard@bell.co.ke; AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List<BR><B>ÇáãæÖæÚ:</B> Re: [AfriNIC-rpd] What is our take on the central pool IPv4exhaustion?<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<P dir=ltr align=left><FONT size=2> On Sat, 11 Aug 2007, Richard Bell wrote:<BR> > I have not followed the debate in detail. However clearly the cost to operators of upgrading their networks are significant. Furthermore the relative growth of african networks is gaining momentum. Since many networks rely on the second hand equipment markets to grow cost eff ectively and since africa has the smallest share of existing ipv4 allocations, why not do something radical like lobbying for afrinic to get the lions share of what's left..................<BR><BR>This debate is, more or less, occurring already. Since you have to get<BR>agreement between the five RIRs, and particularly because Latin America is<BR>in the same boat you are, to some degree, economically and<BR>conservation-wise, it's politically unlikely that AfriNIC would receive<BR>"the lion's share" per se. However, receiving an extra one or two /8s is<BR>a possibility, if you make a strong enough case for it.<BR><BR>A case that I've been trying to make is similar to one you just mention:<BR>since the cost of the minimum new IPv6-capable router is about a tenth the<BR>annual salary of an average American, but about ten times the annual<BR>salary of an average African, there's a huge extra cost which African<BR>networks will encounter in moving to IPv6, and thus they need more time<BR>for IPv6-capable equipment to "trickle down" through the resale market, et<BR>cetera. So far, this argument hasn't gotten much traction.<BR><BR>Another case that I've made with somewhat more success is that if the<BR>African market isn't given room for future growth, it will not be able to<BR>develop as a potentially lucrative trading-partner for businesses in other<BR>regions. In other words, if you don't have IP addresses, you won't be<BR>able to do as much electronic commerce with companies in other regions in<BR>the future. I had not expected that argument to be more compelling than<BR>the other one above, but you find out what works by trying them out on<BR>people, and this one has made more converts so far.<BR><BR>I would advise everyone on the list to take this debate very seriously,<BR>and think about the issues surrounding IPv4 depletion. I'd say that there<BR>are two categories of issue: first, how we deal with resources in the<BR>short time between now and when the last new IPv4 addresses are depleted (for<BR>instance, does AfriNIC get a larger share to account for future growth,<BR>which isn't possible under current allocation policies), and second, how<BR>we deal with the trading or reassignment of addresses _after_ depletion,<BR>when AfriNIC has no more to give out, and they have to be moved back and<BR>forth between users. Will speculators be allowed to drive prices up, or<BR>will the market be regulated as it is now, to only include qualified<BR>recipients, and keep costs lower?<BR><BR>These are very active policy debates, and we have very little time to<BR>settle on what we, collectively as a global community of Internet users,<BR>are going to do. So think hard, and talk this out. Active public debate<BR>is the only way to arrive at a good conclusion.<BR><BR> -Bill<BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>rpd mailing list<BR>rpd@afrinic.net<BR><A href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/rpd">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/rpd</A><BR></P></FONT></BODY></HTML>