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[rpd] RPD Digest, Vol 220, Issue 41
Saul Stein
saul at enetworks.co.za
Thu May 28 10:56:28 UTC 2026
Theresa,
>Conduct rules have been twisted to protect insiders and exclude criticism.
You are quite right they are to protect members of this list against abuse and since we are not here to criticise anyone, that is exactly what we are trying to prevent.
People need to treat others with respect and dignity.
The only protection is just that – people.
You are welcome to factually disagree and propose something better, but not criticize people, their words or their ideas.
From: Theresa Dukumor <theresadukumor at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 27 May 2026 15:53
To: rpd at afrinic.net
Subject: Re: [rpd] RPD Digest, Vol 220, Issue 41
Hi Andrew,
I see the value, but I'm cautious.
Conduct rules have been twisted to protect insiders and exclude criticism. Adding a conduct code could make things worse. We should limit it to clear harm like harassment and spam, not vague tone complaints. The IETF model only works because of its open culture. Let's not copy the form without the substance. Will need to see the draft and the oversight plan before I can support it.
Regards,
Theresa
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Gauging Interest in a possible policy change
(jordi.palet at consulintel.es<mailto:jordi.palet at consulintel.es>)
2. Re: Gauging Interest in a possible policy change
(Dewole Ajao [AFRINIC])
3. Re: Gauging Interest in a possible policy change (Benson Muite)
4. Re: Gauging Interest in a possible policy change (Seun Ojedeji)
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Date: Wed, 27 May 2026 08:49:24 +0200
From: "jordi.palet at consulintel.es<mailto:jordi.palet at consulintel.es>" <jordi.palet at consulintel.es<mailto:jordi.palet at consulintel.es>>
To: RPD <rpd at afrinic.net<mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
Subject: Re: [rpd] Gauging Interest in a possible policy change
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Hi Andrew,
A few years ago, in LACNIC we had similar issues with behaviours against the spirit of the equivalent list to this one.
As I was IETF sergeant at arms for the IETF mailing list, and also participate in many other exploders that have AUPs (Acceptable Usage Policy), I used my experience to design a proposal for LACNIC, you can see the last version here:
https://politicas.lacnic.net/politicas/detail/id/LAC-2018-13/language/en<https://politicas.lacnic.net/politicas/detail/id/LAC-2018-13/language/en>
It took a long time to discuss the proposal, and when it was almost reaching consensus (in my opinion), LACNIC decided to make a CoC which somehow superseddes the AUP.
Nevertheless, I still have encountered feelings if an AUP may be also needed in parallel to the CoC, as the CoC is quite generic while the AUP can provide a ore clear path to co-chairs.
So if you reach the conclusion that this is good to have, I?m happy to work with you/others in that, or feel free to use that proposal as a starting point that was discussed during 3 years in a very similar context.
Regards,
Jordi
@jordipalet
> El 27 may 2026, a las 7:53, Andrew Alston <aa at alstonnetworks.net<mailto:aa at alstonnetworks.net>> escribi?:
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> I've been giving this a lot of thought and want to gauge interest in adding a policy relating to the code of conduct.
>
> Effectively, what I foresee is language added to the policy which acts similar to the IETF Notewell, and specifies appropriate/inappropriate conduct both on the PDP List and during PDP meetings.
>
> Ideally speaking this will also include enforcement actions for the code of conduct, appeal procedures etc.
>
> Within the IETF framework for example, disruptive behavior can result in the temporary or permanent loss of posting rights to the list, and such enforcement actions are subject to a robust appeal mechanism.
>
> Before I start drafting however, I'd like to hear the PDP's thoughts on whether this is worth doing.
>
> Thanks
>
> Andrew
>
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Date: Wed, 27 May 2026 08:00:58 +0100
From: "Dewole Ajao [AFRINIC]" <dewole.ajao at afrinic.net<mailto:dewole.ajao at afrinic.net>>
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Subject: Re: [rpd] Gauging Interest in a possible policy change
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Thanks, Andrew.
While I am not currently making any comments on the subject matter at this point,
I would like to commend the approach of coming to the list to check for interest in working together to solve what you believe may be a problem that needs to be solved.
By getting to a wider understanding of whether or not there is a problem to be solved (and possibly the root causes), before policy text is proposed, the working group will be more efficient in its deliberations and even the first draft (if it ever gets to draft stages) will be more robust because it would ideally carry inputs from the discussions within the working group (even if members choose not to join as authors).
This has been suggested to policy proposal authors over the years and I hope we can do more of this type of engagement in our policy development.
With warm regards,
Dewole.
> On 27 May 2026, at 06:53, Andrew Alston <aa at alstonnetworks.net<mailto:aa at alstonnetworks.net>> wrote:
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> I've been giving this a lot of thought and want to gauge interest in adding a policy relating to the code of conduct.
>
> Effectively, what I foresee is language added to the policy which acts similar to the IETF Notewell, and specifies appropriate/inappropriate conduct both on the PDP List and during PDP meetings.
>
> Ideally speaking this will also include enforcement actions for the code of conduct, appeal procedures etc.
>
> Within the IETF framework for example, disruptive behavior can result in the temporary or permanent loss of posting rights to the list, and such enforcement actions are subject to a robust appeal mechanism.
>
> Before I start drafting however, I'd like to hear the PDP's thoughts on whether this is worth doing.
>
> Thanks
>
> Andrew
>
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Date: Wed, 27 May 2026 10:35:17 +0300
From: Benson Muite <benson_muite at emailplus.org<mailto:benson_muite at emailplus.org>>
To: Andrew Alston <aa at alstonnetworks.net<mailto:aa at alstonnetworks.net>>, RPD <rpd at afrinic.net<mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
Subject: Re: [rpd] Gauging Interest in a possible policy change
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Andrew Alston <aa at alstonnetworks.net<mailto:aa at alstonnetworks.net>> writes:
Hi,
(Will avoid gendered pronouns in case anyone feels left out)!
> Hi Guys,
>
> I've been giving this a lot of thought and want to gauge interest in adding
> a policy relating to the code of conduct.
>
> Effectively, what I foresee is language added to the policy which acts
> similar to the IETF Notewell, and specifies appropriate/inappropriate
> conduct both on the PDP List and during PDP meetings.
This would probably be helpful. The IETF has much more transparency
than AFRINIC. It is not structured as a private company so legal
requirements for transparency in decision making, and in use of funds
are stricter. Every other RIR is structured as an non-profit public
benefit non governmental organization.
Within the IETF, there are structures to get input from outside the IETF
for some decisions, for example from ISOC a broader community of
internet stakeholders.
A code of conduct could help streamline useful input but should not not
prevent dissenting voices from being heard - this can be difficult in
large communities with diverse backgrounds.
When there is disruptive behavior in the IETF, one can ask for further
details and decide on whether a warranted point is being made - some of
the post quantum standards are at least worthy of further individual
investigation. IETF processes have originated from a specific culture,
they are generally good, but could still be improved in terms of getting
dissenting voices heard. Not all elements may work well for AFRINIC,
but the experience is something that AFRINIC could learn from and use to
improve.
>
> Ideally speaking this will also include enforcement actions for the code of
> conduct, appeal procedures etc.
>
Codes of conduct are often not drafted by people with any legal
background so are often guidelines for desired behavior and can be
difficult to enforce in some jurisdictions as they maybe in conflict
with local laws. Codes of conduct are easier to change than by-laws and
as changes would probably be needed, having this would be better than
putting it in the by-laws until they stabilise.
> Within the IETF framework for example, disruptive behavior can result in
> the temporary or permanent loss of posting rights to the list, and such
> enforcement actions are subject to a robust appeal mechanism.
>
> Before I start drafting however, I'd like to hear the PDP's thoughts on
> whether this is worth doing.
>
In my personal opinion this would be helpful, though my opinion is that
AFRINIC also needs broader restructuring and if such a restructuring
were to occur, how much would be carried over?
Benson
> Thanks
>
> Andrew
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Date: Wed, 27 May 2026 05:48:51 -0500
From: Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com<mailto:seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>>
To: Andrew Alston <aa at alstonnetworks.net<mailto:aa at alstonnetworks.net>>
Cc: RPD <rpd at afrinic.net<mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
Subject: Re: [rpd] Gauging Interest in a possible policy change
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Hi Andrew,
AFRINIC does have an existing code of conduct[1] whether it is sufficient
in present realities is a different thing.
I do not believe the rpd need to have a different CoC but I think it may be
appropriate for rpd to document the process to follow when AFRINIC CoC is
violated.
Regards
[1] https://afrinic.net/code<https://afrinic.net/code>
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On Wed, 27 May 2026, 12:55?am Andrew Alston, <aa at alstonnetworks.net<mailto:aa at alstonnetworks.net>> wrote:
> Hi Guys,
>
> I've been giving this a lot of thought and want to gauge interest in
> adding a policy relating to the code of conduct.
>
> Effectively, what I foresee is language added to the policy which acts
> similar to the IETF Notewell, and specifies appropriate/inappropriate
> conduct both on the PDP List and during PDP meetings.
>
> Ideally speaking this will also include enforcement actions for the code
> of conduct, appeal procedures etc.
>
> Within the IETF framework for example, disruptive behavior can result in
> the temporary or permanent loss of posting rights to the list, and such
> enforcement actions are subject to a robust appeal mechanism.
>
> Before I start drafting however, I'd like to hear the PDP's thoughts on
> whether this is worth doing.
>
> Thanks
>
> Andrew
>
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