[rpd] A question for the PDWG

[Fernando Frediani]

Hi David

Currently there is no such possibility and that is a mistake, maybe 
driven by past RIR interested people who would not like to be 
accountable to other people from other organizations overseeing their 
decisions. Any administrative or legal decision must have a double 
degree of jurisdiction and the second one must necessarily be of an 
external body, not its own people.
As mentioned on my reply to Mike RIRs deal with shared resources that 
affect the entire Internet Community and they should not be allowed to 
make final decisions without any possibility of revision. What system 
would best fit to it is debatable, but it should really exist.

The power vested in RIR communities is not enough to resolve these cases 
for different reasons: first is that certain decisions may be of their 
own benefit but contrary to the rest of worldwide community so they 
would never revert it back. Also community cannot do much to change a 
RIR administrative decision. At most membership can, but that is a 
length and difficult process which may not always fit and be of the 
interest the entire community.

Regards
Fernando

On 25/05/2022 13:44, David Conrad wrote:
> Fernando,
>
> On May 25, 2022, at 8:44 AM, Fernando Frediani <fhfrediani at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I think you missed my main point about this topic.
> I don’t believe so. My understanding (please correct me if I am mistaken) is that you would like there to be (or rather, that you believe it illogical for there not to exist) a governance hierarchy that sits atop the RIRs such that misbehavior by an RIR can be directly addressed. I am merely pointing out that while this may (or may not: what happens when the parent is captured by “the bad guys"?) be a good idea, it does not reflect current reality as defined by existing arrangements between network operators, the RIRs, and ICANN. Despite your view about the logic, ICANN has no mechanism to “de-recognize” an RIR and even if it did, it’s wildly unlikely the RIRs or network operators would care.
>
>> That must be a counter balance measures for the rest o Internet community to stop bad actors, including entire RIRs to do things that may affect the stability of the Internet.
> There is: that power is vested in the respective RIR communities.
>
>> Regarding RFC 7020 I personally hope it gets fixed at some point. I don't think that is all bad, but it lacks a fundamental point to any system like this: double degree of jurisdiction which must exist in any administrative and legal system. It simply makes any RIR administrative final.
> Again, RFC 7020 merely documented the system existing at the time of publication (it might have evolved since then). It is descriptive, not proscriptive. The Internet, including the administration of numbering resources, is _decentralized_. This has both positive and negative implications. For example, you can’t "appeal to authority" since there isn’t one.
>
> Regards,
> -drc
>