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[rpd] RPD Digest, Vol 187, Issue 9

Owen DeLong owen at delong.com
Sun May 15 23:26:39 UTC 2022 

The translation that results from pasting your question into Google Translate is nonsensical in response to my statement, so I am unsure how to answer.

Owen


> On May 15, 2022, at 11:38, BINEMO SHADIMIADI Jean Guelord <guelordshadimiadi at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Nous prenons acte. Avez vous de preuves que la fondation larus dicte ce qu'il faut faire ou ke pas faire? Alors qu'afrinic puisse élargir son parrainage dans la formation et participation. 
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> Le dim. 15 mai 2022 à 14:01, <rpd-request at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd-request at afrinic.net>> a écrit :
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>    1. Re: RPD Digest, Vol 187, Issue 7 (Owen DeLong)
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> Date: Sun, 15 May 2022 01:07:48 -0700
> From: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com <mailto:owen at delong.com>>
> To: BINEMO SHADIMIADI Jean Guelord <guelordshadimiadi at gmail.com <mailto:guelordshadimiadi at gmail.com>>
> Cc: "rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy" <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
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> At least in the case of Larus Foundation, our sponsorships do not dictate or require that applicants take any particular position.
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> We have been open and made every effort to ensure that our education package we prepare for each sponsored meeting contain information on all sides represented on the mailing list.
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> We do offer bonuses to our fellows for actively participating, but that bonus is contingent on participation, regardless of the position or opinion expressed by the fellow. So long as they engage in active informed dialogue or commentary, we support them.
> 
> Owen
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> > On May 13, 2022, at 12:26 , BINEMO SHADIMIADI Jean Guelord <guelordshadimiadi at gmail.com <mailto:guelordshadimiadi at gmail.com>> wrote:
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> > Bonsoir, nos structures souffrent de la manque de proc?dure durable ou d'application de certaines normes et principes pour le bien de tous. 
> > Ce pourquoi je pense que le parrainage ne pas une mauvaise chose mais il faut de formation sp?cifique pour rendre les parrain?e efficace. Mais si nous voulons rendrez le discussions, vote libre et transparent pour l'int?r?t de la communaut? africaine.  Il faut pensez ? la cr?ation de fond de parrainage et de formation. Puisque celui qui donne il dicte sa volont?. 
> > Il faut que dans chaque r?gion qu'y forme de sp?cialistes formateur sur la question d'Afrinic pendant chaque trimestre et n'oubliez pas que jusqu'? pr?sent nous avons des tr?s s?rieux probl?mes de connexion internet dans nos r?gions et cela ne permet pas le suivi de formation en ligne. La question de l'int?r?t en Afrique doit ?tre prioriser. La mains qui donne d?cide de quoi faire.
> > 
> > Le ven. 13 mai 2022 ? 14:01, <rpd-request at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd-request at afrinic.net> <mailto:rpd-request at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd-request at afrinic.net>>> a ?crit :
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> >    1. Re: AFRINIC PDWG Co-Chair Selection Timeframe (Owen DeLong)
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> > Date: Thu, 12 May 2022 12:54:51 -0700
> > From: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com <mailto:owen at delong.com> <mailto:owen at delong.com <mailto:owen at delong.com>>>
> > To: Fernando Frediani <fhfrediani at gmail.com <mailto:fhfrediani at gmail.com> <mailto:fhfrediani at gmail.com <mailto:fhfrediani at gmail.com>>>
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> > > On May 11, 2022, at 21:05 , Fernando Frediani <fhfrediani at gmail.com <mailto:fhfrediani at gmail.com> <mailto:fhfrediani at gmail.com <mailto:fhfrediani at gmail.com>>> wrote:
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> > > On 11/05/2022 20:57, Owen DeLong via RPD wrote:
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> > >> To the best of my knowledge, all of the fellows we sponsored were left to make their own opinion and the information and training provided to them was fair and unbiased focused primarily on facts and fair summaries of the list debate that had occurred prior to the meetings. Indeed, even our opponents admitted that the information packet was not biased.
> > > 
> > > Is it serious you are defending that because some fellows have received some information and training prior to an event most of them probably had never heard about before and where probably most of them never ever participated on this email list discussions, that would enough for them to enter into a room and vote for people who would take the charge to decide such critical things that outcomes from this forum we all participate ?
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> > I am defending that the process as currently documented allows those present in the room to elect the co-chairs.
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> > I make no value judgments as to whether that process is particularly good or bad, but I do point out that it should not be changed ad hoc or arbitrarily and that there is a defined process for changing it through the PDP.
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> > > I am just unable to comment or explain how absurd that is.
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> > There are many things you find absurd that I think are perfectly rational. OTOH, you seem to find rationality in many things I find absurd.
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> > Nonetheless, if you think that the current process as documented in the PDP is absurd, then you should submit a proposal to change it and try to gain consensus around that proposal.
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> > My point is that I think it is far less reprehensible to bring in IT students and teach them about the processes involved in internet governance and encourage them to participate in those processes (Kampala, et. seq.) than it is to bring in people not even in the IT field and having no desire to participate in the processes merely to show up and vote (Dakar, Nairobi).
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> > I do find it interesting that Arnaud and Gregoire fail to mention those latter events (which actually occurred prior to Kampala).
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> > Owen
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