[rpd] Publication of Information (Draft-2) - AFPUB-2021-GEN-001-DRAFT02

[Oluwabunmi Egbeyemi]

Hi Daniel,

May I ask if AFRINIC is a regulatory body or authority? If so then what
kind of a government body does it belong to?

Warm regards
Oluwabunmi

On Sat, Nov 13, 2021, 8:22 AM Murungi Daniel via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net>
wrote:

> Dear Gaby,
>
> Businesses disclose all kinds of information to regulatory authorities all
> the time e.g local licensing boards. There are legal protections for
> members against AFRINIC disclosing any content contained in the business
> plans and other confidential information submitted by members.
>
>
> Regards,
> Daniel
>
>
> On Nov 13, 2021, at 6:47 AM, Gaby Giner <gabyginernetwork at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Jordi,
>
> Thanks for your explanation of the timeframe.
>
> I am taking the hypothetical stand of businesses that cannot disclose
> their plans/business out of protecting their interests. It's just that a
> certain level of privacy is expected esp when a company is starting or
> making business decisions etc. Disclosing info to AFRINIC in exchange for
> being allowed resources is like trading in info to a third party that could
> very well be leaked (let's face it, it happens to corporations/businesses
> every day). Aside from looking out for traditional corporation privacy
> pitfalls, they also have to worry about their plans being disclosed to
> AFRINIC.
>
> Also, I noticed a logical loop in the proposal. You said "Note also that
> the policy text provides a way to avoid the publication if justified, or to
> delay it. So if there is a bussiness that really requires having all the
> resources up-front, AFRINIC agree on that (following the CPM), and it
> requires more time and can’t be disclosed to protect the business, it is a
> very valid justification."
>
> Then what is the point of the Publication of Information then if all
> businesses claim that they 1.) require more time, and 2.) they don't want
> to disclose information? At this point, actually they have disclosed
> information already to AFRINIC.
>
> This is a hypothetical situation that is close to reality because I am
> hard-pressed to find a company willing to give out their business plans to
> a third party and at risk of their competitors.
>
> I hope my points are clear.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Gaby
>
>
> P.S. my other points in the first email were just grammatical stuff but
> the above is more important, thanks
>
>
>
> On Sat, 13 Nov 2021 at 01:28, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <
> rpd at afrinic.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi Gaby, all,
>>
>>
>>
>> According to existing policies in the CPM, you ask for resources based on
>> justified need.
>>
>>
>>
>> If the justified need is not for an “immediate use” (1 year seems
>> reasonable, 2 years may be too much already), then there is no sense that
>> you request those resources in advance, or in fact probably AFRINIC will
>> not allocate them and tell you “come back when you’re ready”.
>>
>>
>>
>> I will understand that a LIR that is deploying a big network with no
>> customers yet, will request a smaller prefix and may be, in the case of
>> IPv6, suggest to AFRINIC that they reserve some contiguos space for the
>> next request. Actually this is already the practice in all the RIRs (sparce
>> allocation).
>>
>>
>>
>> Note also that the policy text provides a way to avoid the publication if
>> justified, or to delay it. So if there is a bussiness that really requires
>> having all the resources up-front, AFRINIC agree on that (following the
>> CPM), and it requires more time and can’t be disclosed to protect the
>> business, it is a very valid justification.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regarding the rewording of my last paragraph, may be a language problem
>> not being native speaker, I fail to see what is not clear, and I believe
>> that the staff understood it correctly looking at the IA of the previous
>> version: https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2021-gen-001-d1#impact
>>
>>
>>
>> What I’m saying is that in every first “2 years anyversary” of each
>> resourse allocation the policy is “executed” and the summary provided and
>> if agreed, published. Also, I’m stating that the implementation may be
>> phased (slow start) by the staff in such way that there is no need to hire
>> more resources. This is needed because otherwise when the policy is
>> initially implemented there is a high demand of human resources to take
>> over “all” those that already surpassed the 2 years.
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m not sure to understand your last point.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jordi
>>
>> @jordipalet
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> El 12/11/21 11:41, "Gaby Giner" <gabyginernetwork at gmail.com> escribió:
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Jordi, hi everybody,
>>
>> Thanks for a quite insightful proposal. However, this type of proactive
>> action (and the details/parameters that you gave) may not translate well
>> into reality.
>>
>> Transparency and fairness are important values ofc, given that we operate
>> behind the screen. My concern with the policy would be the parameters that
>> you gave. Do you have a solid statistical basis that says in 2 years, a
>> probable business that asked for resources from AFRINIC would be able to
>> establish their business properly without adverse effects if ever AFRINIC
>> should do as it says in the policy proposal?
>>
>> Secondly, your last paragraph:
>> *"This policy shall be implemented in such a way that all the resources
>> allocated/assigned for over 2 years, will be chronologically warned,
>> allowing the staff to process the possible responses of “non-disclosure”
>> without requiring extra human resources."*
>> I'm having trouble understanding this in context with the other content
>> in the proposal. Maybe a rewrite is in order.
>>
>> Finally, for the first paragraph, I would suggest that it should be
>> rewritten. On the whole, while transparency is good, I think the execution
>> should be considered carefully.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sincerely, Gaby.
>>
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