[rpd] [Community-Discuss] ARIN without Owen Delong ?

[Arnaud AMELINA]

Bonjour chers membres de la communauté,

Merci @Marcus pour le rappel, chers tous, c'est surprenant que quelqu'un
qui est prompt à répondre avec un long message, à de simple remarques ou
observation n'allant pas dans le sens de sa compréhension des textes d'
Afrinic, soit jusqu' aujourd'hui aux abonnés absents, pour répondre à une
simple question de M. John, le DG d'ARIN ? alors même qu'il réagit encore à
d'autres messages, mais feint de ne pas réagir à celui de M. John. Que
peut-on déduire de cette réaction ?? Aidez-moi à comprendre chers membres.
Merci.

--
Arnaud

Le ven. 13 août 2021 à 07:20, Marcus K. G. Adomey <madomey at hotmail.com> a
écrit :


> Dear Owen,

>

> I would like to draw you attention to the fact that you have not yet

> answer the questions in this email. Please, do justice to them; the

> community needs the answers.

>

>

> Marcus

>

> ------------------------------

> *From:* Marcus K. G. Adomey <madomey at hotmail.com>

> *Sent:* Friday, July 16, 2021 3:06 PM

> *To:* Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com>

> *Cc:* community-discuss at afrinic.net <community-discuss at afrinic.net>;

> AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List <rpd at afrinic.net>

> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] ARIN without Owen Delong ?

>

> Hi  again Owen,

>

> Let me  then  help you with some easy  and praticable questions  here  so

> that we close this case.

>

> Following your attachment to some recent developments  between cloud

> Innovation and AFRINIC, are you  paid by cloud innovations or related

> companies? Is your departure from arin ac anyhow related to this

> relationship ?

>

> Hope this helps

>

>

>

>

> Marcus

> ------------------------------

> *From:* Marcus K. G. Adomey <madomey at hotmail.com>

> *Sent:* Thursday, July 15, 2021 6:54:26 PM

> *To:* Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com>

> *Cc:* community-discuss at afrinic.net <community-discuss at afrinic.net>;

> AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List <rpd at afrinic.net>

> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] ARIN without Owen Delong ?

>

> Hi Owen.

>

> Interesting  that one must get a petition signed by 5 people for you to

> response to a such easy inquiry.

>

> Your private mails did not say anything beyond what you publicly said and

> which triggered my follow on points.

>

> As we all participate in Policy development as “ individual “ … one need

> to know where are the possible or perceived conflicts of Interest coming

> from  and why it was not dealt with according to CoI policy

>

> What is seen as Conflict over there can also be a conflict here  and best

> practices call for these to be disclosed.

>

>

>

>

> Marcus

>

> ------------------------------

> *From:* Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com>

> *Sent:* Thursday, July 15, 2021 12:08:32 AM

> *To:* Marcus K. G. Adomey <madomey at hotmail.com>

> *Cc:* DANIEL NANGHAKA <dndannang at gmail.com>; AfriNIC Resource Policy

> Discussion List <rpd at afrinic.net>; community-discuss at afrinic.net <

> community-discuss at afrinic.net>

> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] ARIN without Owen Delong ?

>

> Once again, list, I apologize…

>

> I did not Bcc it to anyone. I did send it only to Daniel and to you. The

> fact that you know I sent it to Daniel is proof that it was not a BCC and

> that you apparently do not understand how email works. Please (re)read RFCs

> 821, 822, and 1123. Try to understand them this time.

>

> As to why, because while you may be a huge fan of mine with a distorted

> view of the importance of my actions to the entire community, the reality

> is that this is a fairly mundane action I took in America regarding a

> leadership position in an RIR that has no jurisdiction anywhere near Africa

> and that it has no impact or effect on anyone in this community that I can

> think of. In short it simply isn’t relevant and isn’t a valid subject for

> this list.

>

> Please do tell what it is that you think is of interest to the community

> here and what you believe you need to know that I have not already answered?

>

> It’s not that I’m trying to hide anything, it’s just that I am at a loss

> to figure out what you are so interested in.

>

> If more than 5 people express interest in the answer to your question,

> then I will answer it publicly. Otherwise, I will take it as an indication

> that I am correct that it is off topic and uninteresting except to you and

> respond privately.

>

> Owen

>

>

>

> On Jul 14, 2021, at 05:26 , Marcus K. G. Adomey <madomey at hotmail.com>

> wrote:

>

> Hi Owen,

>

> Why have you BCC me the email you sent to Daniel? Why can't you send your

> response to the entire mailing list? Is there something hidden in this

> private email and you would not want the others to know about? The point

> being discuss is of interest and we need to know.

>

> Please let us be transparent and open to the PDWG.

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>

> Marcus

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------

> *From:* Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com>

> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 14, 2021 10:56 AM

> *To:* DANIEL NANGHAKA <dndannang at gmail.com>; Marcus K. G. Adomey <

> madomey at hotmail.com>

> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] ARIN without Owen Delong ?

>

> Daniel,

>

> Responding in private since this is off-topic for the list.

>

> This really has nothing to do with the AFRNIC PDP and has to do with

> things I want to be able to say and advocate for in the ARIN region.

>

> There is no conflict between my activities in AFRINIC PDP and my role on

> the ARIN AC.

>

> As to my interest in the AFRINIC PDP, you should note that I’m also at

> various times active in APNIC, LACNIC, RIPE, and ARIN PDPs.

>

> I make my living as a consultant and I have at various times had clients

> all over the world and some clients with global networks. As a result, I am

> often asked to pay attention to the PDP in those regions.

>

> I am also someone with a strong sense of community service. As such, since

> I am obliged to monitor the process for my client(s) anyway, I will often

> work towards what I perceive as the best interests of the community

> (regardless of whether it is best for my client or not) and I will often

> advocate as such. In general, I select clients who are generally

> ideologically aligned with me.

>

> One exception is Cloud Innovation. While I am not ideologically 100% in

> agreement with them and do not necessarily favor the current state of

> policy which benefits them, I am even more concerned that the RIRs cannot

> simply make up policy or randomly interpret policy to suit their

> ideological goals and must, instead, follow the policy as written until it

> is amended through the proper community process.

>

> AFRINIC has a long history of corruption, election irregularities,

> financial misdeeds, and failure to properly follow its own rules in both

> its governance process and in its management of the IP registry database.

> As such, I have maintained a high level of interest in AFRINIC’s doings in

> an effort to do what I can to help resolve those issues.

>

> Owen

>

> On Jul 14, 2021, at 03:38 , DANIEL NANGHAKA <dndannang at gmail.com> wrote:

>

> Dear Marcus,

>

> I strongly agree, that there are policy updates from the other RIRs, what

> is catching my interest at the moment is that Owen has been one of the very

> active participants on PDP and I believe AFRINIC has a high level of

> freedom of expression.

> When he gives a reason that he wants to have greater freedom and

> flexibility to advocate for changes in the internet community, some of

> which would be considered a conflict of interest with his role as an

> Advisory Council member. I begin to realise that Owen could have been

> having a high conflict of interest which conflicted with his position on

> the AC.

>

> Dear Owen,

> Owen, kindly advise how we could deal with the Conflict of Interest in the

> PDP as you state it clearly in your reason. Furthermore, I still have

> question marks as to why the AFRINIC PDP is of high interest to you - yet

> the Policies discussed are for the development of the Internet in Africa.

> Is something wrong with the AFRINIC PDP that stimulates high interest for

> your participation in AFRINIC Process that the Africa participants have

> failed to solve which requires your expertise?

>

> Is ARIN more superior than AFRINIC?

>

> Thanks

> Daniel

>

>

> ᐧ

>

> On Wed, 14 Jul 2021 at 13:26, Marcus K. G. Adomey <madomey at hotmail.com>

> wrote:

>

> Dear Owen and PDWG,

>

> I don’t think this is an off-topic. There are reasons why we always have

> session on “policy update from other RIRs” at every PPM…it’s like we care

> for what happened at ARIN  PDP through its AC and  possible impact on our

> PDP and related issues

>

> In response  to the statement below, one would like to know why  is Owen

> talking  about “  was not forced to resign”?  Nobody said so AFAIK, how

> come the position at ARIN constitute restraint to speech and why only now?

>

> And question for this community is how  do we deal with conflict of

> interest in our PDP?

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

> Marcus

>

>

> ------------------------------

> *From:* Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss <community-discuss at afrinic.net>

> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 13, 2021 5:03:19 PM

> *To:* Arnaud AMELINA <amelnaud at gmail.com>

> *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>;

> AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List <rpd at afrinic.net>

> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] ARIN without Owen Delong ?

>

> Apologies to the list for this off-topic posting, but given the

> unwarranted attention already paid to the

> matter and the escalating level of speculation, I beg your indulgence.

> This will (hopefully) be the

> only post I make on the matter here.

>

> For clarity:

>

> 1. I chose to resign my position on the ARIN AC. I was not forced to

> resign. I did not have to resign.

> So your speculation is neither accurate, nor appropriate and the

> implications are offensive.

>

> 2. I chose to resign in order to have greater freedom and flexibility to

> advocate for changes in the

> internet community, some of which would be considered a conflict of

> interest with my role as

> an Advisory Council member. While I have been outspoken by most standards,

> the reality is

> that my position on the AC did serve as a significant restraint to my

> speech in many cases.

> The time has come where I felt the need to remove that restraint in order

> to best serve the

> community.

>

> Reading anything other than the above into it would be a mistake and

> further speculation is very

> unlikely to produce any accurate conclusions.

>

> If anyone has questions about my resignation, they are free to ask me

> directly, but this really is

> not an appropriate topic for this list.

>

> Owen

>

>

> On Jul 13, 2021, at 05:56 , Arnaud AMELINA <amelnaud at gmail.com> wrote:

>

> @Taiwo

>

> We all would like to know why Owen, so active in our PDP, has to resign

> from his position at ARIN AC  which serves in an advisory capacity to the

> Board of Trustees on Internet number resource policy and related matters.

>

> --

> Arnaud

>

> Le lun. 12 juil. 2021 à 12:37, Taiwo Oye <taiwo.oyewande88 at gmail.com> a

> écrit :

>

> Benjilo.

> How is this of concern to you or to any of the members of the afrinic

> community. Kindly direct your question to the appropriate quarters -

> owen at delong.com -

>

>

> On Jul 11, 2021, at 19:27, Paschal Ochang <pascosoft at gmail.com> wrote:

>

> Great question Daniel.

>

> On Sunday, July 11, 2021, DANIEL NANGHAKA <dndannang at gmail.com> wrote:

>

> Is this worth discussing on the rpd or mailing lists?

>

> On Sun, Jul 11, 2021, 8:36 PM Marcus K. G. Adomey <madomey at hotmail.com>

> wrote:

>

> Hello

>

> Out of curiosity, does anyone know  why Owen Delong active in AFRINIC PDP

> resigned from ARIN AC?

>

> https://www.arin.net/about/welcome/ac/meetings/2021_0617/ point 10

>

>

>

> Marcus

>

>

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> Paschal.

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