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[rpd] Last Call - RPKI ROAs for Unallocated and Unassigned AFRINIC Address Space AFPUB-2019-GEN-006-DRAFT03.
Mimi dy
dym5328 at gmail.com
Sat Jul 24 10:08:57 UTC 2021
+1 Owen.
Le sam. 24 juil. 2021 à 04:47, Owen DeLong via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net> a
écrit :
> There’s a big difference between taking away the toys/weapons an
> irresponsible teenager already has (though I’m
> not sure that’s necessarily a bad idea at this point) and hading them new
> deadly weapons.
>
> This proposal seeks to hand them a new weapon with far greater and more
> damaging effect than any of the tools
> presently in their hands.
>
> Sure, we should look for ways to take away the BB guns, but handing them a
> Howitzer still remains irresponsible.
>
> The board can’t ratify this proposal if we never send it to them.
>
> Owen
>
>
> On Jul 23, 2021, at 13:13 , JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net>
> wrote:
>
> Should we then cancel all the CPM parts can be used in bad faith or
> wrongly? We need a policy proposal for that. And then the Board can decide
> not to ratify it …
>
> Should also cancel the internal procedure that AFRINIC has designed for
> recovering resources. That is not in the scope “right now” of the policy
> manual, so we should set in-scope via a policy proposal. However, it looks
> like the Board could also decide not to ratify it …
>
> Our problem is now a bigger one than this policy, that in the best case
> will take 8-9 months to be implemented.
>
> In that time, we must make sure that the overal problem is resolved
> instead of investing in getting this policy down (and the full CPM down).
> It is a more wise usage of resources.
>
> And if we believe that AFRINIC is acting against the community, at least
> I’m starting to believe that, lacking responses, then we should escalate to
> ICANN.
>
> Regars,
>
> Jordi
>
> @jordipalet
>
>
>
>
> El 23/7/21 21:51, "Owen DeLong" <owen at delong.com> escribió:
>
> Sure,
>
> However, in the case of this specific policy which would allow RPKI to be
> weaponized by AFRINIC, I think it
> is irresponsible to hand a loaded howitzer to an irresponsible teenager.
>
> Owen
>
>
>
> On Jul 22, 2021, at 08:20 , JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Owen,
>
> I don’t have all the details in my hands to judge if all was done
> correctly or not.
>
> Even if I trust you, I think we should agree that this is a major problem
> and not any specific policy.
>
> So, we should find the way to resolve that in a wider way, including a
> very clear and diligent responsivity from the board. Right now, I’ve been
> waiting for responses to my two previous emails from 14 and 15th July. I
> think one week is more than sufficient to respond.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jordi
>
> @jordipalet
>
>
>
>
> El 22/7/21 16:54, "Owen DeLong" <owen at delong.com> escribió:
>
>
>
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> *From: *JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net>
> *Subject: Re: [rpd] Last Call - RPKI ROAs for Unallocated and Unassigned
> AFRINIC Address Space AFPUB-2019-GEN-006-DRAFT03.*
> *Date: *July 22, 2021 at 00:16:48 PDT
> *To: *"rpd at afrinic.net" <rpd at afrinic.net>
> *Reply-To: *JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet at consulintel.es>
>
> Hi Owen,
>
> I don’t know, as many in the list, all the details and the real “true”
> (not one side, not the other), about the recent case.
>
> However, what I can say is that AFRINIC indicated in this case, that they
> will keep the resources in use for additional 3 months so customers aren’t
> impacted.
>
>
> This was not true. Because of the way they modified whois, multiple
> providers started rejecting LOAs as invalid and disconnecting customers. As
> such, their superficial claim that they were preventing customers from
> being impacted was not accurate.
>
>
>
> Following the policy text, this is exactly the same thing. If there is a
> disagreement and then a recovery, until the recovery is “final” (the 3
> months I just mention) the resources will not be incorporated in the AS0.
>
>
> Yes, but you are now assuming that AFRINIC will follow their own rules.
> Had AFRINIC actually followed their own rules, they would not have
> attempted to terminate Cloud Innovation’s membership and would not have
> altered the WHOIS entries in question.
>
>
>
> The recent case, demonstrated that it works, because in case of a dispute,
> you can still ask the courts, in the worst case, to take a position.
>
>
> If AFRINIC had acted responsibly and in compliance with their own rules,
> this would be true. Because AFRINIC does not follow its own rules and
> because AFRINIC was in such a rush to take adverse action the moment our
> injunction was temporarily lifted on a technicality, it is quite clear that
> they are willing to act in bad faith and contrary to their rules. So no, it
> does not work, because during the dispute AFRINIC chose to and was able to
> create substantial disruption to our customers while trying to pretend to
> the community that their hands were clean.
>
> Owen
>
>
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