[rpd] Last Call - RPKI ROAs for Unallocated and Unassigned AFRINIC Address Space AFPUB-2019-GEN-006-DRAFT03.

[Mimi dy]

+1 Owen.



Le sam. 24 juil. 2021 à 04:47, Owen DeLong via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net> a
écrit :


> There’s a big difference between taking away the toys/weapons an

> irresponsible teenager already has (though I’m

> not sure that’s necessarily a bad idea at this point) and hading them new

> deadly weapons.

>

> This proposal seeks to hand them a new weapon with far greater and more

> damaging effect than any of the tools

> presently in their hands.

>

> Sure, we should look for ways to take away the BB guns, but handing them a

> Howitzer still remains irresponsible.

>

> The board can’t ratify this proposal if we never send it to them.

>

> Owen

>

>

> On Jul 23, 2021, at 13:13 , JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net>

> wrote:

>

> Should we then cancel all the CPM parts can be used in bad faith or

> wrongly? We need a policy proposal for that. And then the Board can decide

> not to ratify it …

>

> Should also cancel the internal procedure that AFRINIC has designed for

> recovering resources. That is not in the scope “right now” of the policy

> manual, so we should set in-scope via a policy proposal. However, it looks

> like the Board could also decide not to ratify it …

>

> Our problem is now a bigger one than this policy, that in the best case

> will take 8-9 months to be implemented.

>

> In that time, we must make sure that the overal problem is resolved

> instead of investing in getting this policy down (and the full CPM down).

> It is a more wise usage of resources.

>

> And if we believe that AFRINIC is acting against the community, at least

> I’m starting to believe that, lacking responses, then we should escalate to

> ICANN.

>

> Regars,

>

> Jordi

>

> @jordipalet

>

>

>

>

> El 23/7/21 21:51, "Owen DeLong" <owen at delong.com> escribió:

>

> Sure,

>

> However, in the case of this specific policy which would allow RPKI to be

> weaponized by AFRINIC, I think it

> is irresponsible to hand a loaded howitzer to an irresponsible teenager.

>

> Owen

>

>

>

> On Jul 22, 2021, at 08:20 , JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net>

> wrote:

>

> Hi Owen,

>

> I don’t have all the details in my hands to judge if all was done

> correctly or not.

>

> Even if I trust you, I think we should agree that this is a major problem

> and not any specific policy.

>

> So, we should find the way to resolve that in a wider way, including a

> very clear and diligent responsivity from the board. Right now, I’ve been

> waiting for responses to my two previous emails from 14 and 15th July. I

> think one week is more than sufficient to respond.

>

> Regards,

>

> Jordi

>

> @jordipalet

>

>

>

>

> El 22/7/21 16:54, "Owen DeLong" <owen at delong.com> escribió:

>

>

>

>

>

> Begin forwarded message:

>

> *From: *JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net>

> *Subject: Re: [rpd] Last Call - RPKI ROAs for Unallocated and Unassigned

> AFRINIC Address Space AFPUB-2019-GEN-006-DRAFT03.*

> *Date: *July 22, 2021 at 00:16:48 PDT

> *To: *"rpd at afrinic.net" <rpd at afrinic.net>

> *Reply-To: *JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet at consulintel.es>

>

> Hi Owen,

>

> I don’t know, as many in the list, all the details and the real “true”

> (not one side, not the other), about the recent case.

>

> However, what I can say is that AFRINIC indicated in this case, that they

> will keep the resources in use for additional 3 months so customers aren’t

> impacted.

>

>

> This was not true. Because of the way they modified whois, multiple

> providers started rejecting LOAs as invalid and disconnecting customers. As

> such, their superficial claim that they were preventing customers from

> being impacted was not accurate.

>

>

>

> Following the policy text, this is exactly the same thing. If there is a

> disagreement and then a recovery, until the recovery is “final” (the 3

> months I just mention) the resources will not be incorporated in the AS0.

>

>

> Yes, but you are now assuming that AFRINIC will follow their own rules.

> Had AFRINIC actually followed their own rules, they would not have

> attempted to terminate Cloud Innovation’s membership and would not have

> altered the WHOIS entries in question.

>

>

>

> The recent case, demonstrated that it works, because in case of a dispute,

> you can still ask the courts, in the worst case, to take a position.

>

>

> If AFRINIC had acted responsibly and in compliance with their own rules,

> this would be true. Because AFRINIC does not follow its own rules and

> because AFRINIC was in such a rush to take adverse action the moment our

> injunction was temporarily lifted on a technicality, it is quite clear that

> they are willing to act in bad faith and contrary to their rules. So no, it

> does not work, because during the dispute AFRINIC chose to and was able to

> create substantial disruption to our customers while trying to pretend to

> the community that their hands were clean.

>

> Owen

>

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