[rpd] [Community-Discuss] ARIN without Owen Delong ?

[Daniel Yakmut]

Dear Marcus,

I thought we put in "co-chairs" to regulate the activities of the PWDG, but
I am worried that when it was recommended that this discussion should be
offlist, you are still adamant.

Can you also declare what is your personal interest. Because, the matter
your pursuing is of no relevance to the community.

I think you should.let go.

Simply,
Daniel

On Thu, Jul 15, 2021, 7:59 PM Marcus K. G. Adomey <madomey at hotmail.com>
wrote:


> Hi Owen.

>

> Interesting  that one must get a petition signed by 5 people for you to

> response to a such easy inquiry.

>

> Your private mails did not say anything beyond what you publicly said and

> which triggered my follow on points.

>

> As we all participate in Policy development as “ individual “ … one need

> to know where are the possible or perceived conflicts of Interest coming

> from  and why it was not dealt with according to CoI policy

>

> What is seen as Conflict over there can also be a conflict here  and best

> practices call for these to be disclosed.

>

>

>

>

> Marcus

>

> ------------------------------

> *From:* Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com>

> *Sent:* Thursday, July 15, 2021 12:08:32 AM

> *To:* Marcus K. G. Adomey <madomey at hotmail.com>

> *Cc:* DANIEL NANGHAKA <dndannang at gmail.com>; AfriNIC Resource Policy

> Discussion List <rpd at afrinic.net>; community-discuss at afrinic.net <

> community-discuss at afrinic.net>

> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] ARIN without Owen Delong ?

>

> Once again, list, I apologize…

>

> I did not Bcc it to anyone. I did send it only to Daniel and to you. The

> fact that you know I sent it to Daniel is proof that it was not a BCC and

> that you apparently do not understand how email works. Please (re)read RFCs

> 821, 822, and 1123. Try to understand them this time.

>

> As to why, because while you may be a huge fan of mine with a distorted

> view of the importance of my actions to the entire community, the reality

> is that this is a fairly mundane action I took in America regarding a

> leadership position in an RIR that has no jurisdiction anywhere near Africa

> and that it has no impact or effect on anyone in this community that I can

> think of. In short it simply isn’t relevant and isn’t a valid subject for

> this list.

>

> Please do tell what it is that you think is of interest to the community

> here and what you believe you need to know that I have not already answered?

>

> It’s not that I’m trying to hide anything, it’s just that I am at a loss

> to figure out what you are so interested in.

>

> If more than 5 people express interest in the answer to your question,

> then I will answer it publicly. Otherwise, I will take it as an indication

> that I am correct that it is off topic and uninteresting except to you and

> respond privately.

>

> Owen

>

>

>

> On Jul 14, 2021, at 05:26 , Marcus K. G. Adomey <madomey at hotmail.com>

> wrote:

>

> Hi Owen,

>

> Why have you BCC me the email you sent to Daniel? Why can't you send your

> response to the entire mailing list? Is there something hidden in this

> private email and you would not want the others to know about? The point

> being discuss is of interest and we need to know.

>

> Please let us be transparent and open to the PDWG.

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>

> Marcus

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------

> *From:* Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com>

> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 14, 2021 10:56 AM

> *To:* DANIEL NANGHAKA <dndannang at gmail.com>; Marcus K. G. Adomey <

> madomey at hotmail.com>

> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] ARIN without Owen Delong ?

>

> Daniel,

>

> Responding in private since this is off-topic for the list.

>

> This really has nothing to do with the AFRNIC PDP and has to do with

> things I want to be able to say and advocate for in the ARIN region.

>

> There is no conflict between my activities in AFRINIC PDP and my role on

> the ARIN AC.

>

> As to my interest in the AFRINIC PDP, you should note that I’m also at

> various times active in APNIC, LACNIC, RIPE, and ARIN PDPs.

>

> I make my living as a consultant and I have at various times had clients

> all over the world and some clients with global networks. As a result, I am

> often asked to pay attention to the PDP in those regions.

>

> I am also someone with a strong sense of community service. As such, since

> I am obliged to monitor the process for my client(s) anyway, I will often

> work towards what I perceive as the best interests of the community

> (regardless of whether it is best for my client or not) and I will often

> advocate as such. In general, I select clients who are generally

> ideologically aligned with me.

>

> One exception is Cloud Innovation. While I am not ideologically 100% in

> agreement with them and do not necessarily favor the current state of

> policy which benefits them, I am even more concerned that the RIRs cannot

> simply make up policy or randomly interpret policy to suit their

> ideological goals and must, instead, follow the policy as written until it

> is amended through the proper community process.

>

> AFRINIC has a long history of corruption, election irregularities,

> financial misdeeds, and failure to properly follow its own rules in both

> its governance process and in its management of the IP registry database.

> As such, I have maintained a high level of interest in AFRINIC’s doings in

> an effort to do what I can to help resolve those issues.

>

> Owen

>

> On Jul 14, 2021, at 03:38 , DANIEL NANGHAKA <dndannang at gmail.com> wrote:

>

> Dear Marcus,

>

> I strongly agree, that there are policy updates from the other RIRs, what

> is catching my interest at the moment is that Owen has been one of the very

> active participants on PDP and I believe AFRINIC has a high level of

> freedom of expression.

> When he gives a reason that he wants to have greater freedom and

> flexibility to advocate for changes in the internet community, some of

> which would be considered a conflict of interest with his role as an

> Advisory Council member. I begin to realise that Owen could have been

> having a high conflict of interest which conflicted with his position on

> the AC.

>

> Dear Owen,

> Owen, kindly advise how we could deal with the Conflict of Interest in the

> PDP as you state it clearly in your reason. Furthermore, I still have

> question marks as to why the AFRINIC PDP is of high interest to you - yet

> the Policies discussed are for the development of the Internet in Africa.

> Is something wrong with the AFRINIC PDP that stimulates high interest for

> your participation in AFRINIC Process that the Africa participants have

> failed to solve which requires your expertise?

>

> Is ARIN more superior than AFRINIC?

>

> Thanks

> Daniel

>

>

> ᐧ

>

> On Wed, 14 Jul 2021 at 13:26, Marcus K. G. Adomey <madomey at hotmail.com>

> wrote:

>

> Dear Owen and PDWG,

>

> I don’t think this is an off-topic. There are reasons why we always have

> session on “policy update from other RIRs” at every PPM…it’s like we care

> for what happened at ARIN  PDP through its AC and  possible impact on our

> PDP and related issues

>

> In response  to the statement below, one would like to know why  is Owen

> talking  about “  was not forced to resign”?  Nobody said so AFAIK, how

> come the position at ARIN constitute restraint to speech and why only now?

>

> And question for this community is how  do we deal with conflict of

> interest in our PDP?

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

> Marcus

>

>

> ------------------------------

> *From:* Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss <community-discuss at afrinic.net>

> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 13, 2021 5:03:19 PM

> *To:* Arnaud AMELINA <amelnaud at gmail.com>

> *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>;

> AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List <rpd at afrinic.net>

> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] ARIN without Owen Delong ?

>

> Apologies to the list for this off-topic posting, but given the

> unwarranted attention already paid to the

> matter and the escalating level of speculation, I beg your indulgence.

> This will (hopefully) be the

> only post I make on the matter here.

>

> For clarity:

>

> 1. I chose to resign my position on the ARIN AC. I was not forced to

> resign. I did not have to resign.

> So your speculation is neither accurate, nor appropriate and the

> implications are offensive.

>

> 2. I chose to resign in order to have greater freedom and flexibility to

> advocate for changes in the

> internet community, some of which would be considered a conflict of

> interest with my role as

> an Advisory Council member. While I have been outspoken by most standards,

> the reality is

> that my position on the AC did serve as a significant restraint to my

> speech in many cases.

> The time has come where I felt the need to remove that restraint in order

> to best serve the

> community.

>

> Reading anything other than the above into it would be a mistake and

> further speculation is very

> unlikely to produce any accurate conclusions.

>

> If anyone has questions about my resignation, they are free to ask me

> directly, but this really is

> not an appropriate topic for this list.

>

> Owen

>

>

> On Jul 13, 2021, at 05:56 , Arnaud AMELINA <amelnaud at gmail.com> wrote:

>

> @Taiwo

>

> We all would like to know why Owen, so active in our PDP, has to resign

> from his position at ARIN AC  which serves in an advisory capacity to the

> Board of Trustees on Internet number resource policy and related matters.

>

> --

> Arnaud

>

> Le lun. 12 juil. 2021 à 12:37, Taiwo Oye <taiwo.oyewande88 at gmail.com> a

> écrit :

>

> Benjilo.

> How is this of concern to you or to any of the members of the afrinic

> community. Kindly direct your question to the appropriate quarters -

> owen at delong.com -

>

>

> On Jul 11, 2021, at 19:27, Paschal Ochang <pascosoft at gmail.com> wrote:

>

> Great question Daniel.

>

> On Sunday, July 11, 2021, DANIEL NANGHAKA <dndannang at gmail.com> wrote:

>

> Is this worth discussing on the rpd or mailing lists?

>

> On Sun, Jul 11, 2021, 8:36 PM Marcus K. G. Adomey <madomey at hotmail.com>

> wrote:

>

> Hello

>

> Out of curiosity, does anyone know  why Owen Delong active in AFRINIC PDP

> resigned from ARIN AC?

>

> https://www.arin.net/about/welcome/ac/meetings/2021_0617/ point 10

>

>

>

> Marcus

>

>

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> Paschal.

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