[rpd] Unaddressed queries by AFRINIC during AGMM

[Fernando Frediani]

Hello

I didn't participate in the AGMM but talking about these subjects below 
which are common among other RIR I have the following notes to make:

- *About Question 1* - Normally re-justifying is just if resources are 
known to be used for a different propose they have been used previously 
(e.g: resources justified for an ISP that became an End User). Also 
resources have rules to be used. Certain RIRs don't allow majority of 
resources to be used in a different region then the RIR one. It doesn't 
make sense have to re-justify just because you assigned addresses for 
your customers for different proposes (as long inside the current rules).

However for instance: there have been cases in some RIRs of an 
Organization that assigns part of their prefixes to another organization 
where both are ASNs, have no connectivity and for that IP Space to be 
announced directly from the second ASN. This is a complete miss usage of 
IP space and shows that those addresses are not needed anymore by the 
resource holder and therefore they should be revoked as the resource 
holder doesn't justify to keep them anymore as they are not in used for 
what they have been justified.

- *About Question 2* - One thing cannot be confused with the other. If 
an organization has IP space that it doesn't use anymore it MUST return 
them to the RIR regardless how much that is worth. That IP space is not 
a properly of the organization, but simply is in custody of it , so it 
cannot keep it for years without usage - and if it doesn't justify anymore.
What one may optionally do is to put it available for a transfer and in 
that way the resources will end up in another organization that truly 
justify and have need for them under the due process.

- *About Question 3* - I don't think that out-of-region usage is a 
matter for AGMM or Board can decide upon. It is how the CPM says it is 
and discussed and decided by this forum.
Bylaws cannot regulate resource usage. There have been other situations 
where bylaws were used to mandate something it cannot done. It is not 
because it is written in the bylaws that is something valid.

However point 5.4.6.2 of CPM says: "/AFRINIC resources are for AFRINIC 
service region and any use outside the region should be solely in 
support of connectivity back to the AFRINIC region./*"* - therefore that 
seems very clear to me.

- No comments to make about Question 4.

Regards
Fernando

On 24/06/2021 04:32, Paul Wollner wrote:

> Dear Chairperson,

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> Reference is made to the AGMM chaired by you on the 4 June 2021.

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> I wish to put on record that at the AGMM we were not given a 

> reasonable opportunity to discuss and comment on the management of 

> AFRINIC and in particular to the following issues:-

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>

> *Question 1*

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> AFRINIC claims that any change in the IP usage will require 

> re-justifying the usage. Would it mean that, hypothetically, if I have 

> a web customer on my server and they leave to be replaced with a VPN 

> customer, will I need to seek AFRINIC’s approval first?

>

>

> _Question 1 was not discussed or commented upon_

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>

> *Question 2*

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> The rest of the world enjoys a 30 USD/IP at a free open market. With 

> AFRINIC having a transfer policy in place, will AFRINIC still demand 

> any unused IP be returned to them for free?

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> _Question 2 was not discussed or commented upon_

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>

> *Question 3*

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> Out-of-region use was extensively discussed within the last decade, 

> and it was a consensus that pre-soft landing space is allowed for 

> out-of-region use. Yet, I heard that AFRINIC seems to be using bylaw 

> 6.1 to manage other people’s resource usage. This is not part of 

> AFRINIC policy and has, with good reason, never been approved by the 

> community. Can AFRINIC clarify its understanding of out-of-region 

> usage to the member base?

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>

> _Question 3 was not discussed or commented upon_

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>

> *Question 4*

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> Madhvi was in charge of the registration department when the IP heist 

> happened – this, at the very least, shows her incompetence, so why is 

> she getting promoted instead of rightfully dismissed?

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>

> _Question 4 was not discussed or commented upon_

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> *Paul Wollner*

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