[rpd] Last Call - RPKI ROAs for Unallocated and Unassigned AFRINIC Address Space AFPUB-2019-GEN-006-DRAFT03.

[Frank Habicht]

On 08/06/2021 01:14, Daniel Yakmut via RPD wrote:
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> My strong opinion is that any resource holder should be responsible for

> securing its resources and if RPKI ROA is the best way to prevent

> hijack, then it will enjoy patronage.


Here I agree with what's written above.
Also: AfriNIC is currently the holder of 102.218.0.0/16

Do you know of a good way how AfriNIC could publish information to show
that noone should hijack this, and spam from these addresses?



> Making it a job of AfriNIC, will

> possibly be going over board.


They are currently the resource holder, right?
On behalf of members, especially those that later get allocations,
AfriNIC should (where reasonable) prevent abuse from these IP spaces in
order to prevent bad reputation of the same.



> Responding to my opening question, I believe RIPE and ARIN are not keen

> on accepting your arguments because they are mundane. This means

> resource holders should handle this issue, without making it a worry of

> the RIR.


Can we agree that AfriNIC is the resource holder of 102.218.0.0/16 ?
By "should handle this issue" you mean preventing hijacks?



> In this regard, AfriNIC should concentrate on handling other more

> important issues, hence this policy is not relevant.


Disagreed.

Regards,
Frank



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> Simply

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> Daniel

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> On 07/06/2021 6:3pm, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:

>>

>> Ni Mimi,

>>

>>  

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>> No, is not ideological, the legal counsel already confirmed the being

>> bookkeepers has many other **related** implications, such as provide a

>> trustable source of accurate data, and this is what RPKI and AS0 improve.

>>

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>> The fact that in RIPE has not been accepted yet is just one more

>> excuse, if you compare it with the fact that the other TWO RIRs where

>> it has been submitted (APNIC and LACNIC) accepted it and in none of

>> those regions there have been any of the excuses and lack of knowledge

>> about RPKI that we are hearing here. As I’ve explained already, I

>> don’t think the RIPE chairs decision was correct, and we will make

>> sure to resubmit the proposal there once a consistent appeal process

>> is available, in case chairs take again a wrong decision. Also, then

>> the experience in APNIC, LACNIC and AFRINIC will show that those

>> motivations are ridiculous.

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>>  

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>> From time to time is good that ARIN and RIPE aren’t the leaders, you

>> don’t think so? It shows that very smart people exist in other regions

>> as well!

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>> Once more, sometimes policies in one or the other region fail to reach

>> consensus, but it happens sooner or later.

>>

>>  

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>> If you have a simple and trustable tool such as RPKI to drop invalids,

>> you have a better way (if you want) to avoid bad actors to use

>> prefixes that don’t belong to them as they are still on the hands of

>> AFRINIC. This is just facts. Not ideological, not opinions or personal

>> view points. So yes, AS0 avoids, if you operate your network in a

>> consistent way, to be faked with prefixes not allocated/assigned by

>> AFRINIC, and thus helps to prevent hijacking.

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>>  

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>> Regards,

>>

>> Jordi

>>

>> @jordipalet

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>> El 7/6/21 18:47, "Mimi dy" <dym5328 at gmail.com

>> <mailto:dym5328 at gmail.com>> escribió:

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>> Dear WG,

>>

>>  

>>

>> I think the issue here is ideological. Many people believe that RIRs

>> are mere bookkeepers, and it is not in their mandate to inject data

>> into the routing database. That is the reason why RIPE did not approve

>> a similar proposal, which I totally agree with. Moreover, I wanted to

>> react to Jordi’s statement, saying that these objections are based on

>> practical and technical matters. There is not only one routing

>> database, there are many, isn’t it kind of messy? And that is not even

>> the main reason why I object to this policy.

>>

>> From another perspective, since people can adjust and control their

>> routers, can you precise how this policy can potentially prevent/

>> reduce hijacking?

>>

>>  

>>

>> Best.

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