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[rpd] CO-CHAIRS AND AIS '21

Mark Elkins mje at posix.co.za
Wed Jun 2 09:15:41 UTC 2021 

Arnaud - beautifully written,

(@Daniel - try:- https://translate.google.com/ )

You capture my sentiment exactly. It has also been shown in the past 
that Consensus overrules Elections in the PDP. Case in point - I was the 
only person standing - who went through the Election Process for PDWG 
Co-Chair election in Dakar - yet was not allowed to run by the consensus 
in the room. Not the whole picture - but Consensus wins.

Also - it's quite stupid (a waste of resources) to have someone only 
serve in a position for a month or so.

On 6/2/21 9:46 AM, Arnaud AMELINA wrote:
> Mon Cher Daniel,
>
> Courir ou Sauter, l'importance est d'arriver à la bonne destination, 
> et avec ce qui s'est passé, je suis convaincu que nous y sommes 
> arrivés, je dis encore félicitation à la communauté du PDP et bon 
> courage dans leur mission au nouveaux co-chairs. Vous aimez le 
> principe de vote dans le PDWG parce que facilement manipulable, non ? 
> Et nous en avons eu les preuves à maintes reprises, nous sommes une 
> communauté, du moins à ce que je pense, pas des antagonistes, ni moins 
> des ennemis, alors pourquoi ne pouvons-nous pas nous entendre pour 
> régler et faire avancer les choses en regardant l'intérêt de l'Afrique 
> pas nos propres intérêts? Tu es le seul à toujours dire qu'on ne 
> s'entend pas, que les gens sont égoïstes, qu'on est divisé, qu'il 
> n'est pas possible d'obtenir un consensus entre nous, mais tout ce qui 
> s'est passé ces derniers temps ta donné tort, alors résous toi à 
> rejoindre le groupe, laisse tes intérêts personnels et cesses de 
> soutenir les ennemis de l'Afrique. Merci pour ta compréhension. Si tu 
> t'es senti offensé alors toutes mes excuses. Mais c'est ce que j'ai 
> sur le coeur ce beau matin, suite à ton message que je viens de lire. 
> Bonne journée à toutes et à tous.
>
> --
> Arnaud
>
>
> Le mar. 1 juin 2021 à 22:28, Daniel Yakmut via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net 
> <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>> a écrit :
>
>     Dear All,
>
>     This was what I had warned us about. Attempting to force the
>     nomination of the co-chairs on permanent basis will not hold
>     water. That was why I was advocating that we make whatever we were
>     doing regarding the co-chairs without election must be temporary.
>
>     Truly, we have a petition against the Co-Chairs eligibility to
>     continue to manage the PWDG. The petition should have put things
>     on hold, but we carried on as if nothing.
>
>     I want to suggest that we need to pause here and address the
>     concerns. Else we will be acting contrary to our believes of
>     openness and transparency.
>
>     " We have refused to run but chose to jump"
>
>     Simply,
>
>     Daniel
>
>
>
>     On 30/05/2021 12:25 am, Emem William wrote:
>>
>>     Dear AFRINIC Board, CEO, LC and RPD Community,
>>
>>     *“Consequently, the PDWG is hereby informed and advised that it
>>     is a matter of sound and settled legal principle that, pending
>>     the outcome of the Appeal Committee proceedings, it (PDWG)
>>     refrains from entertaining any request emanating from the
>>     relevant co-authors of the said policy proposals for further
>>     amending these proposals on the legal principle of /pendente
>>     lite/. It is also my considered view that any attempt in the
>>     meantime by the latter to submit a newly purported version of
>>     their policy proposal will be inadmissible (non-receivable) in
>>     law”. *
>>
>>     *Ashok.B.Radhakissoon.*
>>
>>     *Legal  Counsel*
>>
>>     Above is a quotation from the email sent by AFRINIC LC on 9^th
>>      of Dec 2020. Going by his fact (supported by the CEO and Liaison
>>     officer) and the fact that we submitted an appeal against the
>>     minority declaration of consensus on the position of Co-chairs
>>     recently, we would like to state that we currently have no
>>     co-chairs and I wonder why some individuals are parading
>>     themselves as the Co-chairs for this WG.
>>
>>      Let me be clear that until the determination of the appeal and
>>     until we exhaust all legal means, AFRINIC Liaison staff are to be
>>     coordinating the WG as the consensus declaration is
>>     “inadmissible”.   This is also because this was the last
>>     consensus we had on this issue. I do not want to believe and
>>     would not agree that some impostors would sit as co-chairs during
>>     the forthcoming policy sessions during AIS '21. I want to believe
>>     that the two gentlemen are just helping staff and would not be
>>     parading themselves as Co-chairs.  I hope the CEO and staff would
>>     note this to prevent a situation where we would have to begin
>>     this argument throughout the meeting.
>>
>>     I am also surprised that Liaison staff and NOMCOM did not seek
>>     nomination for the position of Co-chairs. It is no longer news
>>     that one of the co-chairs we unanimously elected in Uganda for a
>>     two-year team should be finishing his tenure during AIS-21.
>>     Therefore, we are supposed to be having an election during this
>>     meeting. To my surprise, up till now, we don’t have a call for
>>     nomination rather we have two people illegally calling themselves
>>     Co-Chairs without been elected by the community.
>>
>>       I hope the CEO and LC would respond to my email before the
>>     meeting next week so that we don’t find our having to spend all
>>     the time during the policy session during the AIS on this issue.
>>
>>     As a way forward, for us to spend our time discussing policies
>>     and not this issue during the upcoming AIS and to avoid wasting
>>     our precious time, I would suggest that we rectify the situation
>>     now and ask NOMCOM to call for nomination so that we can move
>>     forward. The Co-chair can be elected at the beginning of the
>>     meeting. I am sure we can reach a consensus on this and I would
>>     be ready to help coordinate this if liaison staff would be too
>>     busy preparing for the meeting.
>>
>>     Thank you !
>>
>>     Best regards,
>>     Emem William
>>
>>
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