[rpd] CO-CHAIRS AND AIS '21

[Mark Elkins]

Arnaud - beautifully written,

(@Daniel - try:- https://translate.google.com/ )

You capture my sentiment exactly. It has also been shown in the past 
that Consensus overrules Elections in the PDP. Case in point - I was the 
only person standing - who went through the Election Process for PDWG 
Co-Chair election in Dakar - yet was not allowed to run by the consensus 
in the room. Not the whole picture - but Consensus wins.

Also - it's quite stupid (a waste of resources) to have someone only 
serve in a position for a month or so.

On 6/2/21 9:46 AM, Arnaud AMELINA wrote:

> Mon Cher Daniel,

>

> Courir ou Sauter, l'importance est d'arriver à la bonne destination, 

> et avec ce qui s'est passé, je suis convaincu que nous y sommes 

> arrivés, je dis encore félicitation à la communauté du PDP et bon 

> courage dans leur mission au nouveaux co-chairs. Vous aimez le 

> principe de vote dans le PDWG parce que facilement manipulable, non ? 

> Et nous en avons eu les preuves à maintes reprises, nous sommes une 

> communauté, du moins à ce que je pense, pas des antagonistes, ni moins 

> des ennemis, alors pourquoi ne pouvons-nous pas nous entendre pour 

> régler et faire avancer les choses en regardant l'intérêt de l'Afrique 

> pas nos propres intérêts? Tu es le seul à toujours dire qu'on ne 

> s'entend pas, que les gens sont égoïstes, qu'on est divisé, qu'il 

> n'est pas possible d'obtenir un consensus entre nous, mais tout ce qui 

> s'est passé ces derniers temps ta donné tort, alors résous toi à 

> rejoindre le groupe, laisse tes intérêts personnels et cesses de 

> soutenir les ennemis de l'Afrique. Merci pour ta compréhension. Si tu 

> t'es senti offensé alors toutes mes excuses. Mais c'est ce que j'ai 

> sur le coeur ce beau matin, suite à ton message que je viens de lire. 

> Bonne journée à toutes et à tous.

>

> --

> Arnaud

>

>

> Le mar. 1 juin 2021 à 22:28, Daniel Yakmut via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net 

> <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>> a écrit :

>

>     Dear All,

>

>     This was what I had warned us about. Attempting to force the

>     nomination of the co-chairs on permanent basis will not hold

>     water. That was why I was advocating that we make whatever we were

>     doing regarding the co-chairs without election must be temporary.

>

>     Truly, we have a petition against the Co-Chairs eligibility to

>     continue to manage the PWDG. The petition should have put things

>     on hold, but we carried on as if nothing.

>

>     I want to suggest that we need to pause here and address the

>     concerns. Else we will be acting contrary to our believes of

>     openness and transparency.

>

>     " We have refused to run but chose to jump"

>

>     Simply,

>

>     Daniel

>

>

>

>     On 30/05/2021 12:25 am, Emem William wrote:

>>

>>     Dear AFRINIC Board, CEO, LC and RPD Community,

>>

>>     *“Consequently, the PDWG is hereby informed and advised that it

>>     is a matter of sound and settled legal principle that, pending

>>     the outcome of the Appeal Committee proceedings, it (PDWG)

>>     refrains from entertaining any request emanating from the

>>     relevant co-authors of the said policy proposals for further

>>     amending these proposals on the legal principle of /pendente

>>     lite/. It is also my considered view that any attempt in the

>>     meantime by the latter to submit a newly purported version of

>>     their policy proposal will be inadmissible (non-receivable) in

>>     law”. *

>>

>>     *Ashok.B.Radhakissoon.*

>>

>>     *Legal  Counsel*

>>

>>     Above is a quotation from the email sent by AFRINIC LC on 9^th

>>      of Dec 2020. Going by his fact (supported by the CEO and Liaison

>>     officer) and the fact that we submitted an appeal against the

>>     minority declaration of consensus on the position of Co-chairs

>>     recently, we would like to state that we currently have no

>>     co-chairs and I wonder why some individuals are parading

>>     themselves as the Co-chairs for this WG.

>>

>>      Let me be clear that until the determination of the appeal and

>>     until we exhaust all legal means, AFRINIC Liaison staff are to be

>>     coordinating the WG as the consensus declaration is

>>     “inadmissible”.   This is also because this was the last

>>     consensus we had on this issue. I do not want to believe and

>>     would not agree that some impostors would sit as co-chairs during

>>     the forthcoming policy sessions during AIS '21. I want to believe

>>     that the two gentlemen are just helping staff and would not be

>>     parading themselves as Co-chairs.  I hope the CEO and staff would

>>     note this to prevent a situation where we would have to begin

>>     this argument throughout the meeting.

>>

>>     I am also surprised that Liaison staff and NOMCOM did not seek

>>     nomination for the position of Co-chairs. It is no longer news

>>     that one of the co-chairs we unanimously elected in Uganda for a

>>     two-year team should be finishing his tenure during AIS-21.

>>     Therefore, we are supposed to be having an election during this

>>     meeting. To my surprise, up till now, we don’t have a call for

>>     nomination rather we have two people illegally calling themselves

>>     Co-Chairs without been elected by the community.

>>

>>       I hope the CEO and LC would respond to my email before the

>>     meeting next week so that we don’t find our having to spend all

>>     the time during the policy session during the AIS on this issue.

>>

>>     As a way forward, for us to spend our time discussing policies

>>     and not this issue during the upcoming AIS and to avoid wasting

>>     our precious time, I would suggest that we rectify the situation

>>     now and ask NOMCOM to call for nomination so that we can move

>>     forward. The Co-chair can be elected at the beginning of the

>>     meeting. I am sure we can reach a consensus on this and I would

>>     be ready to help coordinate this if liaison staff would be too

>>     busy preparing for the meeting.

>>

>>     Thank you !

>>

>>     Best regards,

>>     Emem William

>>

>>

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