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[rpd] APPEAL AGAINST THE CONFIRMATION OF CONSENSUS DECLARED BY THE POLICY LIAISON TEAM AND THE BOARD ON THE SELECTION OF PDWG CO-CHAIRS

Mark Elkins mje at posix.co.za
Fri Apr 23 16:45:37 UTC 2021


What an excellent idea! Meet the faces behind the emails 😁

On 4/23/21 6:32 PM, Noah wrote:

> Hi Eddy and Chair

>

> Can AfriNIC perhaps through the Stakeholder Engagement department

> increase its efforts on running quartely webinars for new members of

> our community. I have been reading emails in recent weeks from folks

> who I believe to be new members of the PDWG who could do with some

> capacity building.

>

> This will go on to reduce the level of ignorance among the new members

> of the community especially around the Policy Development Process.

>

> Some sort of orientation program similar to the one AfriNIC provides

> to its fellows each year who attended physical meetings but instead

> run it remotely via webinars.

>

> In my humble opinion.

>

> Noah

>

> On Fri, 23 Apr 2021, 16:26 Fernando Frediani, <fhfrediani at gmail.com

> <mailto:fhfrediani at gmail.com>> wrote:

>

> Hello Jaco

> Thanks for this excellent and necessary lesson.

>

> Every time I see the word democracy trying to be used in PDWG I

> feel the same lack of understanding by some.

> Some need to understand that just by a certain number of people

> voicing their wish for something isn't just enough to make

> something happen as things are not decided by a majority of voices.

>

> Fernando

>

> On 23/04/2021 09:56, Jaco Kroon wrote:

>>

>> Hi Okoye,

>>

>> I think you're confusing the concept of democracy and a consensus

>> based approach.

>>

>> In a democracy, the majority (or largest individual sub group)

>> get what they want, irrespective of whether it's right or wrong. 

>> The premise behind a democracy is two-fold:  those that we

>> appointed will action in the form of an autocracy that which they

>> have pitched in their run-up (failure to do so generally leads to

>> unrest, and even if they follow exactly that if it's not to the

>> betterment of the larger group will at least be met with

>> resistance by the minority), and will stick to exactly that and

>> not become power hungry, and the larger believe is that the

>> majority knows best and are right in their believes.  Of course

>> this is an idealogical/philosophical statement, for which there

>> are many other wordings, the base premise is:  the majority

>> rules, right or wrong.  A democracy only works if the elected

>> leaders of the majority has the best interests of community as a

>> whole at heart, otherwise it becomes an oppression of minority by

>> the majority.

>>

>> In a consensus based approach, it's more strict, the majority

>> cannot simply enforce their arbitrary will. But at the same time

>> the minority can get their way. It's about addressing problems in

>> such a way that the right thing will happen, irrespective of

>> emotional influence and state of mind.  In some cases we can

>> delegate to a democratic based decision (ie, vote) *if we so

>> choose*.  As was the original proposal until I filed two motions:

>>

>> 1.  That we select two of the three eligible candididates (as per

>> the criteria that the group have conceded to which eliminated the

>> other three candidates, and AK based on the fact that he was the

>> previously recalled chair).  AK subsequently pulled out leaving

>> us with only two eligible candidates, and based on no valid

>> objections that was raised, they were then on the basis of

>> consensus elected.

>>

>> 2.  That the appointments are made for one and two years

>> respectively, but there were objections against this, so as I've

>> got it this was accepted, but this could still potentially be

>> changed at the PPM such that one term will end during the PPM and

>> the other will run for a further year.

>>

>> Against the first item there were (as far as I could tell) no

>> valid objections, just emotional outbursts, against the latter

>> there were some "this is a variation of the accepted CPM" which

>> could be deemed to be valid, and I also conceded that I've got no

>> objection if this decision is postponed to the PPM, but it does

>> make things more difficult for the newly elected chairs since

>> their position going forward is unclear.

>>

>> My request is thus in short to not confuse a democracy with a

>> consensus system(much more strict than a democracy since one

>> person that raises a *valid* objection against a proposal can

>> stop the thousand, in theory).  But in the same sense, the

>> thousand cannot stop the one unless they can raise a valid objection.

>>

>> The PDWG is not a democracy.

>>

>> Kind Regards,

>> Jaco

>>

>> On 2021/04/23 14:12, Okoye Somtochukwu wrote:

>>> Dear Community,

>>>

>>> In my opinion, I believe we should have a chance to appeal and

>>> contest the boards' decisions on the selection of co-chairs. A

>>> democratic government does not function when citizens are

>>> deprived of their right to free speech, protests tec. in the

>>> same vein, we should also have a say in appealing against the

>>> decision made by the board against the co-chairs.

>>>

>>> Also, The appeal against the board on the selection of the

>>> co-chairs is valid. Although it is only rational that we look

>>> into this issue and try to assess the situation as it is. This

>>> is because, although the board has acted in carrying out its

>>> duties and that of the co-chairs, I don't feel it is right for

>>> the board to have a consensus regarding the selection of the

>>> co-chairs.

>>>

>>> In all our doings, we must treat each other's duties and

>>> positions with the utmost respect and do our best to move the

>>> community forward.

>>>

>>> Thank you.

>>>

>>> Sent from my iPhone

>>>

>>>> On Apr 23, 2021, at 1:57, Paschal Ochang <pascosoft at gmail.com>

>>>> <mailto:pascosoft at gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>

>>>> Hello all.

>>>>

>>>> It's very simple. Has an appeal been lunched ? The answer is

>>>> yes. So let the Appeal Committee do their job. It's simple.

>>>>

>>>> On Thursday, April 22, 2021, Haruna Umar Adoga

>>>> <hartek66 at gmail.com <mailto:hartek66 at gmail.com>> wrote:

>>>>

>>>> Hello,

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> If we decide to proceed with the confirmation of the newly

>>>> ‘selected’ Co-chairs, which some say were chosen based on a

>>>> ‘consensus’ by the PDWG, it will be a step in the wrong

>>>> direction.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> I personally do not subscribe to the idea of wasting the

>>>> community’s time on frivolous issues but an appeal has been

>>>> made against the confirmation of the Co-chairs and it needs

>>>> to be addressed.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> We cannot and should not keep supporting this narrative as

>>>> PDWG members, that whenever someone or a group of persons

>>>> question an act/decision that needs clarification, we tend

>>>> to push things under the carpet intentionally by throwing

>>>> all sorts of tantrums rather than facing the issues in an

>>>> upright manner.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Cheers,

>>>>

>>>> Haruna.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 9:30 AM Arnaud AMELINA

>>>> <amelnaud at gmail.com <mailto:amelnaud at gmail.com>> wrote:

>>>>

>>>> In the Spirit of Law, what is not authorised, is

>>>> forbidden. Don't fool people here please. An other

>>>> waist of time to the  Community . The Co-chairs

>>>> selection is over. Now we invite Co-chairs to take the

>>>> place and start working, in order to avoid such kind of

>>>> waist of time. Please, let move forward.

>>>>

>>>> --

>>>> Arnaud

>>>>

>>>> Le jeu. 22 avr. 2021 à 02:38, lucilla fornaro

>>>> <lucillafornarosawamoto at gmail.com

>>>> <mailto:lucillafornarosawamoto at gmail.com>> a écrit :

>>>>

>>>> Hello everyone,

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> As we can all see, it is true that the CPM (3.5)

>>>> openly mentions the appeal against the co-chairs,

>>>> but it doesn’t forbid other forms of appeals.

>>>> Furthermore, the appeal reports a serious matter

>>>> that should be properly investigated. This is the

>>>> only way to go through it.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> In particular, I believe that the declaration of

>>>> the consensus by the Board of Directors goes beyond

>>>> their authority.

>>>>

>>>> Therefore, I support this appeal.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Lucilla

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Il giorno mer 21 apr 2021 alle ore 14:18 Emem

>>>> William <dwizard65 at gmail.com

>>>> <mailto:dwizard65 at gmail.com>> ha scritto:

>>>>

>>>> *Dear Appeal Committee,*

>>>>

>>>> Please check  the attachment for our appeal.

>>>>

>>>> Thank you!

>>>>

>>>> *

>>>> *

>>>>

>>>> *Subject : Appeal against the confirmation of

>>>> consensus declared by the Policy Liaison Team

>>>> and the Board on the selection of PDWG Co-chairs*

>>>>

>>>> **

>>>>

>>>> Dear Appeal Committee,

>>>>

>>>> I am appealing against the confirmation of

>>>> consensus declared by the AFRINIC team and the

>>>> Board on the selection of PDWG Co-chairs, made

>>>> on the RPD mailing list, on April 9^th and

>>>> April 11^th .

>>>>

>>>> (https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2021/013018.html

>>>> <https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2021/013018.html>)

>>>>

>>>> (https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2021/013052.html

>>>> <https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2021/013052.html>)**

>>>>

>>>> I consider that the actions of the Board of

>>>> Directors to self-declare consensus over the

>>>> PDWG matter in selecting the new co-chairs is

>>>> done outside of their scope of power and

>>>> prerogatives.

>>>>

>>>> *Date of the appeal :*April 19^th , 2021

>>>>

>>>> *Date of the decision made by the Policy

>>>> Liaison Team*

>>>>

>>>> (1) 3^rd April 2021

>>>>

>>>> (2) 9^th April 2021

>>>>

>>>> *Date of the decision made by the Board of

>>>> Directors*

>>>>

>>>> 11^th April 2021

>>>>

>>>> *f) Reference to an announcement of decision

>>>> which is being appealed*

>>>>

>>>> (1) 26^th March 2021, Eligibility criteria

>>>> imposed by Policy Liaison Team

>>>>

>>>> (https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2021/012768.html

>>>> <https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2021/012768.html>)

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> (2) 9^th April 2021, Policy Liaison Team

>>>> announced consensus is achieved

>>>>

>>>> (https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2021/013018.html

>>>> <https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2021/013018.html>)

>>>>

>>>> (3) 11^th April 2021, Board Chair declared

>>>> consensus

>>>>

>>>> (https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2021/013052.html

>>>> <https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2021/013052.html>)

>>>>

>>>> *Name and email address of complainant.*

>>>>

>>>> Emem William

>>>>

>>>> dwizard65 at gmail.com <mailto:dwizard65 at gmail.com>

>>>>

>>>> **

>>>>

>>>> *Names of complainants.*

>>>>

>>>> 1.Olamide Andu (olamideandu at gmail.com

>>>> <mailto:olamideandu at gmail.com>)

>>>>

>>>> 2.Yusuf Abdurahman Adebisi (adebc007 at gmail.com

>>>> <mailto:adebc007 at gmail.com>)

>>>>

>>>> 3.Emem Ekpo William (dwizard65 at gmail.com

>>>> <mailto:dwizard65 at gmail.com>)

>>>>

>>>> 4.Sunday Ayuba (sundayayuba8 at gmail.com

>>>> <mailto:sundayayuba8 at gmail.com>)

>>>>

>>>> The following appeal addresses the “fake

>>>> consensus on the selection of the co-chairs”

>>>> declaration, which according to the CPM, cannot

>>>> be done by anyone else besides the chair. Yes

>>>> In this situation we agreed that AFRINIC team

>>>> should serve as secretariat but this team went

>>>> ahead to selectively implement decisions even

>>>> when there was no consensus.   The board’s

>>>> interference with the matter signifies that the

>>>> bottom up process no longer exists. Therefore,

>>>> this appeal should serve the Appeal Committee

>>>> in taking into account a very important point,

>>>> which is the fact that the board has no right

>>>> in declaring consensus.

>>>>

>>>> Based on the Board’s action ofdeclaring

>>>> consensus on the selection of the co-chairs,

>>>> which is done outside of their prerogatives, it

>>>> is safe to conclude that the declaration of

>>>> consensus is illegal as it is not within the

>>>> prescribed power and prerogatives of the Board

>>>> of Directors. The Board of Directors should

>>>> have referred to and comply with the stipulated

>>>> terms of the AFRINIC’s constitution and the CPM

>>>> and ensure that any action that is taken by the

>>>> Board of Directors is done consistently and in

>>>> compliance with the stipulated terms of the

>>>> AFRINIC’s Constitution and the CPM, which was

>>>> not the case. The declaration of the consensus

>>>> by the Board of Directors shows that the Board

>>>> of Directors have acted above and beyond their

>>>> prescribed power and prerogatives.

>>>>

>>>> As for the list of requirements and

>>>> qualifications imposed by the Policy Liaison

>>>> Team, It is vital to note that they were never

>>>> stipulated under the CPM. By simply adding on a

>>>> list of requirement and qualification proves

>>>> that the Policy Liaison Team have acted

>>>> arbitrarily and with blatant disregard to the

>>>> terms and procedures which are clearly

>>>> stipulated under the CPM.

>>>>

>>>> Based on the above, I urge the Appeal committee

>>>> to look into this serious matter and resolve

>>>> this appeal by standing with what is right.

>>>>

>>>> Thank you!

>>>>

>>>> Regards,

>>>> *Emem William*.

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>>>> --

>>>> Kind regards,

>>>>

>>>> Paschal.

>>>>

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