[rpd] Call for interest for PDWG chairs closed & Way forward

[Sylvain Baya]

{try to move the faster possible/reasonable}
Dear PDWG,


...as a resumé:

<tl;dr>
i0| We have two valid candidacies : so nothing more to do.
They become simply the new PDWG's Chairs...if there is
no reasonable objection.

i1| ...to keep a good stand, in trying to use only what our PDP
allows us to, we should/could just leave that problem for
the end of the shortest mandate. The rational of this simple
idea lies in the flexible structure of the PDP relatively to the
*selection* process. Then, at that time the PDWG could
choose to simply agree on a suitable selection method ; if
there are disagreement what should be important at end
could be to remain fair and transparent as a WG.

i2| Could the candidates confirm their agreement?

i3| When i2| is done, the PDWG should immediatelly install
their new Chairs...if i'm not wrong though :-/
</tl;dr>

Le ven. 9 avr. 2021 à 13:46, Jaco Kroon <jaco at uls.co.za> a écrit :


> Hi Daniel,

>

>

Hi Jaco,
...brother, many thanks for proposing new and quite interesting
perspectives.



> Do note that I've actually made two distinct proposals.

>

> Firstly, that we accept Vincent and Darwin as the two replacement

> chairs.  I understand you're in agreement with this.  The question is

> who is for which period, of course, if we can't agree on this, then we

> can delegate that to the PPM as per below.

>

>

i see no need to do so :-/
...the problem seems to not be too complex as the proposed
solution.




> What you disagree with is the secondary proposal that we do this with an

> effective one year and two year term as of right now?  Or more

>



This disagreement has no real consequencies, within the actual
situation, because we have only two acceptable candidacies.

...there is a practice, enshrined [2] into the PDP, which could be
used to resolve the question of the term by leaving it between
the two caditates:

~°~
[...]
A *term* may begin or end no sooner than the first day of the
Public Policy Meeting and no later than the last day of the
Public Policy Meeting *as determined by the mutual agreement*
of the current Chair and the new Chair.
[...]
~°~




> precisely, you're warning that this could set a dangerous precedent for

> future in case we do recall our chairs again.  I cannot argue with that,

> but I must point out that I think the risk of that is fairly low.

>

>

...apart the fact that there is already a DPP [*] which is trying to
better rule the PDWG Chairs Recall; i can add that, we should
only try to solve our problems step by step...
__
[*]: it still waiting for a "comming soon" IAR though
<https://afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2020-gen-007-d1>

i0| We have two valid candidacies : so nothing more to do.
They become simply the new PDWG's Chairs...if there is
no reasonable objection.

...given that Frank has already reported that they have both
already agreed on the distribution of the terms of their
respectives mandates, could we conclude that all is OK?

...one thing remains, how to go further than the real
mandates of the Recalled PDWG's Chairs?

What i propose is also quite simple:

i1| ...to keep a good stand, in trying to use only what our PDP
allows us to, we should/could just leave that problem for
the end of the shortest mandate. The rational of this simple
idea lies in the flexible structure of the PDP relatively to the
*selection* process. Then, at that time the PDWG could
choose to simply agree on a suitable selection method ; if
there are disagreement what should be important at end
could be to remain fair and transparent as a WG.

Please let's move forward on what we have already agreed on.


I do agree that the second proposal is strictly speaking a deviation

> from the process.  And this will contradict 3.3 of the CPM which

> (amongst others) state:

>

> "The PDWG Chairs are chosen by the AFRINIC community during the Public

> Policy Meeting and serve staggered two-year terms."

>



...no!
There is not such constraint...PPM is ruled at CMP section 3.4.2 [1]
...also you have to look at two differents scenari; enlightened below:
{*interim*} and {*temporary*}

Please see below [2]:

~°~
3.3  The Policy Development Working Group (PDWG)[...]

{*interim*} If the Working Group Chair is unable to serve
his or her full term, the Working Group may select a
replacement to serve the remainder of the term.
{*temporary*} If the Working Group Chairs are unable
to attend the Public Policy Meeting, the Working Group
shall nominate a Chair for the session. Anyone present
at the meeting, whether in person or by remote participation,
may participate in the selection process for a temporary Chair.
~°~

...see as a flexible PDP [1] is helping us; as it's quite simple
to solve most of our problems with no PDWG Chairs and quite
without violating our own binding rules :-)
__
[1]: CPM section 3.0 <https://afrinic.net/policy/manual#PDP>
[2]: CPM section 3.3 <https://afrinic.net/policy/manual#PDWG>



>

> I'm of the opinion though that with the consensus so far there are not

> any real objections to deviation from this process, obviously with the

> understanding that this is exceptional circumstances, and can thus be

> considered an emergency, as such, 3.6 of the CPM in my (not a lawyer)

> opinion is applicable.

>



...no need to bypass the PDP in trying to use CPM section 3.6,
without PDWG's Chairs to enforce it!



>

> 1.  The decision to vary the process is taken by a Working Group Chair.

>

> [...]

>

> 2.  There must be an explanation about why the variance is needed.

>

> [...]

>

> 3.  The review period, including the Last Call, shall not be less than

> four weeks.

>

>

This is why the PDWG should be really grateful of the actual
outcome. Then accept it for what it is really: a very good
opportunity to rapidly move forward with gift of two months
to prepare the coming PPM...




> [...]

>

> 4.  If there is consensus, the policy is approved and it must be

> presented at the next Public Policy Meeting.

>

>

There seems to be already a clear consensus on the PDWG's
(interim) Chairs and their respective terms.

i2| Could the candidates confirm their agreement?

i3| When i2| is done, the PDWG should immediatelly install
their new Chairs...if i'm not wrong though :-/

The consensus is not needed on i1| right now; please could
we agree on i3|?

...so that the PDWG could become able to immediately start
to focus again on DPPs, with new Chairs to jauge the consensus.

Thanks.

Shalom,
--sb.



[...]

>

> Kind Regards,

> Jaco

>

> On 2021/04/09 14:03, Daniel Yakmut via RPD wrote:

>

> > Inset

> >

> > On 09/04/2021 12:30 pm, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:

> >> Hi Daniel,

> >>

> >>      >>>

> >>      >>>      [...]

>




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