[rpd] way forward on the PDWG after the Recall of the co-chairs

[Fernando Frediani]

In my view defending that just recalled Co-Chairs be able run elections 
for a role they just have been recalled within due process is pure 
political correctness, guided maybe by some fear of "excluding someone 
somehow". It seems an exaggeration that does not add anything good to 
the process. This doesn't make any sense at all and is something that 
should be written in the stone, so be part of a next PDP adjustment to 
make it clear which is obvious.

Let's just move on with selecting new and experienced Co-Charis that can 
get us on track again.
Fernando

On 21/02/2021 21:45, Owen DeLong via RPD wrote:

>

>

>> On Feb 21, 2021, at 3:24 PM, Gregoire EHOUMI 

>> <gregoire.ehoumi at yahoo.fr <mailto:gregoire.ehoumi at yahoo.fr>> wrote:

>>

>> Hi Owen

>>

>>

>>> On Feb 17, 2021, at 9:30 PM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com 

>>> <mailto:owen at delong.com>> wrote:

>>>

>>> This is not an accurate reflection of my comments.

>>>

>>> I stated emphatically that the recalled co-chairs should be allowed 

>>> to run.

>>

>> The recalled cochairs to be allowed to run as interim cochairs to 

>> serve the remainder of the terms?  Or thereafter?

>>

>> Reason and decency will win.

>

> They should remain eligible to run in any election for co-chairs for 

> any terms available in said elections.

>

>>> I also stated emphatically that we should follow the PDP and the PDP 

>>> calls for the working group

>>> to elect co-chairs..

>>>

>>

>> Your insatiable appetite for election and persistence in the wrong 

>> interpretation of section 3.3, make any discussion with you pointless...

>> Can you point to the section of the CPM which  calls for the WG to 

>> “elect” co-chairs?

>

> I stand corrected, 3.3 is not where election is specified… Rather it 

> is contained here:

>

> https://afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group#election 

> <https://afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group#election>

>

>> Enough has been said, time to move on

>

> Apologies for the confusion on where the prohibition of consensus was 

> derived from. It was an honest mistake.

>

> In fact, the provenance of this document is unclear to me and I am 

> unsure as to whether it is actually authoritative or not as a result.

>

> Can someone from staff please review that document and get back to 

> this group on its provenance and level of authority over the conduct 

> of the group?

>

> If we are not bound by that document, then I will, indeed, admit that 

> consensus (if it can be achieved) may be a valid way forward.

>

> Now ,Gregoire, can you acknowledge that in a contentious environment 

> where consensus cannot be achieved that an election, preferably one 

> using ranked choice voting, is the best way forward?

>

> Owen

>

>>

>> —

>> Gregoire

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>> Owen

>>>

>>>

>>>> On Feb 16, 2021, at 3:07 PM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD 

>>>> <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>> wrote:

>>>>

>>>> Dear Board, all,

>>>>

>>>> Following the February 10th email from the Board Chair, the PDWG 

>>>> has discussed the possible options on the way forward after the 

>>>> Recall of the PDWG co-chairs.

>>>>

>>>> The attached document, already circulated today in the RPD, is a 

>>>> summary and conclusions of the discussions reached by the consensus 

>>>> of the PDWG.

>>>>

>>>> The PDWG hasn't requested any change to the document in the last 

>>>> few hours, however it has been updated just to correct a couple of 

>>>> typos (track of changes show them).

>>>>

>>>> As a consequence, the decision is:

>>>>

>>>> "Halt everything regarding PDP decisions, until the board can 

>>>> organize on-line elections in a few weeks (with the previous 

>>>> electoral census)."

>>>>

>>>> We should remark, as it has been suggested already by some 

>>>> participants in the discussion, that the ideal situation would be, 

>>>> once candidates are introduced to the PDWG, we have a constructive 

>>>> discussion in the list (and hopefully among the candidates) and 

>>>> some of the candidates withdraw, so an actual election process is 

>>>> no longer needed, as it already happened in the previous elections. 

>>>> Of course, this can't be guaranteed, so the elections process must 

>>>> be ready for that contingence.

>>>>

>>>> We will await your decision about the timing and the call for 

>>>> candidates.

>>>>

>>>> Regards,

>>>> Jordi

>>>> @jordipalet

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

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