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[rpd] WE NEED YOUR INPUT, MAXIMUM BY TUESDAY 16TH NOON: Decision of way forward for new (transition or elected) co-chairs
Paschal Ochang
pascosoft at gmail.com
Thu Feb 11 21:51:48 UTC 2021
My simple opinion is we stick to the PDP/CPM. No more suggestions outside
the PDP and no more bending of the process.
On Thursday, February 11, 2021, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <
rpd at afrinic.net> wrote:
> Hi Anthony,
>
>
>
> Once more, to make it very clear: I don’t want to provide my personal view
> point/choice at this stage. I want to be as neutral as possible until the
> board takes a decision. I’m happy to explain my position afterwards, even
> if it is different than the consensus that we could have reached.
>
>
>
> However, I think we need to clarify that even if we have elections now for
> both co-chairs, because they are staggered according to the PDP, it means
> that only one of the co-chairs will remain after we have a new meeting and
> “regular” elections. So, somehow, option 1 set “1 co-chair (for 2 years)
> and another co-chair for a shorter “transition” (1 year)”.
>
>
>
> And even if nobody has the response, probably it could happen about the
> same time as all the world has the vaccination and we restore regular
> traveling and face-to-face meetings. So, option 2 means we may need to wait
> without any PDP progress another complete year. But there is a lot of
> uncertainty about the exact timing when this will be possible.
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>
> Regards,
>
> Jordi
>
> @jordipalet
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> El 11/2/21 19:03, "Anthony Ubah" <ubah.tonyiyke at gmail.com> escribió:
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> Hello Jordi,
>
> I believe choices 1 and 2 are pretty much the same and are the most
> reasonable ones to me. By opting for the electoral process, we will settle
> this matter once and for all, instead of having to transition to other
> co-chairs after a short duration of time (3 and 4), and then having to go
> through the trouble of new elections again. I am sure the community will be
> able to elect the best people fit for the job of co-chairs, as soon as we
> can have the next elections.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> UBAH ANTHONY
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>
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 9:45 AM <rpd-request at afrinic.net> wrote:
>
> From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet at consulintel.es>
> To: "rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy" <rpd at afrinic.net>
> Subject: [rpd] WE NEED YOUR INPUT, MAXIMUM BY TUESDAY 16TH NOON: Decision
> of way forward for new (transition or elected) co-chairs
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Following the previous email, we have 4 choices for selecting the new
> co-chairs:
>
> 1. Halt everything regarding PDP decisions, until the board can organize
> on-line elections in a few weeks (with the previous electoral census).
>
> 2. Halt everything regarding PDP decisions, until the board can organize
> an in-person meeting and then we can have on-site elections (we don't know
> when we will have a new in-person meeting).
>
> 3. Ask the board to choose 2 transition co-chairs, so we can have
> elections in the future (option 2 above).
>
> 4. Nominate ourselves a few names for transition co-chairs and let the
> board to decide among them, once they confirm their willingness to take the
> job, so we can have elections in the future (option 2 above).
>
> Note that each person supporting/objecting one or serveral choices, should
> briefly detail what are the pros and cons that he/she understands need to
> be considered. Note that this is a consensus base decision, not a voting,
> and the objections should be as less subjective as possible and looking for
> the good of the overall community, not personal or business interests.
>
> If you think that option 3 or 4 are the right ones, this is not the time
> to set any conditions or nominate people. Will need to define specific time
> frame after the decision is taken. Otherwise, may not be able to reach
> consensus quickly.
>
> REMARK: We need to tell the board our decision, by consensus by next
> Tuesday (16th February), so only comments received up to Tuesday noon could
> be considered in the final summary.
>
> Regards,
> Jordi
> @jordipalet
>
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> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 09:47:21 +0100
> From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet at consulintel.es>
> To: "rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy" <rpd at afrinic.net>
> Subject: Re: [rpd] Report from Recall Committee
> Message-ID: <11FDC127-64CC-4118-9E40-E613AFE42A14 at consulintel.es>
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> Sorry, I mean the choices, not objections! I just send that email.
>
>
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> So it should read:
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>
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> ?In order to do that, I?m going to send the choices in a new email and
> provide some instructions, because we need those with objections to explain
> the rationale for them and also those that support ?more? some options than
> others, to explain why.?
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> El 11/2/21 9:33, "JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD" <rpd at afrinic.net>
> escribi?:
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> Hi Daniel (also responding to Sarah and others),
>
>
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> My reading of the message from Alan, is that the RC recommendation for the
> way forward is just a suggestion, not binding.
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> See his message:
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> https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2021/012251.html
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> If you look to my suggested options, this is what I?m suggesting.
>
>
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> Yes, we have 4 days (not including weekend, as some folks may not follow
> the list then):
>
> Thursday
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> Friday
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> Monday
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> Tuesday
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> By the end of the day (Tuesday 16th) we should have reached consensus if
> we want to board to be able to follow our request.
>
>
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> 4 days seems a lot of time, but is not. Look the very few people that had
> contributed in 4 days to this discussion.
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>
>
> Because this is consensus, not voting, I?m going to suggest that anyone
> that has *objections* where he can?t concede, to any of the choices that we
> have, say it today-tomorrow, so we still have a couple of days to decide
> which one has less objections.
>
>
>
> In order to do that, I?m going to send the objections in a new email and
> provide some instructions, because we need those with objections to explain
> the rationale for them and also those that support ?more? some options than
> others, to explain why.
>
>
>
> This way we can make a summary of pros and cons of each alternative.
>
>
>
> If any volunteer is neutral (he/she don?t have any preference and will
> accept any choice) and wants so stay silent, and then be the one deciding
> which one has ?more? consensus, please say so.
>
>
>
> May be the Recall Committee (or one of the members) volunteers to take
> that role?
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>
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> Alternatively, if the PDWG agree, I?m happy knowing that I?ve no
> preference and will accept any choice, to stay silent from now on, and then
> offer a summary on Tuesday, acting as a kind of secretary, on Tuesday of
> all the pros and cons.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Jordi
>
> @jordipalet
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> El 11/2/21 8:52, "Murungi Daniel" <dmurungi at wia.co.tz> escribi?:
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> Dear Yakmut,
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> We shall definitely reach consensus. Color me naive but I do not buy into
> your premise that the community is as sharply divided as you perceive.
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> @Jordi, whereas your speed and desire to strike the iron while it?s still
> hot are admirable, we should all take some time ( 2 - 4 days) to digest the
> report from the Recall Committee.
>
>
>
> As @Kiden pointed out, the RC report has some recommendations and there
> are a number of suggestions that have been put forth by the community.
>
>
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> AFRINIC and the RPD are not going to burn down simply because the
> community quietly takes a couple of days to reflect on recent events and
> their impact going forward.
>
>
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>
>
> Regards,
>
> Murungi Daniel
>
>
>
>
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> On Feb 11, 2021, at 10:14 AM, Daniel Yakmut via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net>
> wrote:
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> How can we possibly reach consensus, when the community is sharply divided
> between winners and losers.
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>
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> There is bitterness around and shock around the action of the RC. Maybe
> when we get over the situation. However, delay is imminent.
>
>
>
> Daniel
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>
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> On Thu, Feb 11, 2021, 8:04 AM Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
>
> The board has asked us to make a recommendation to them. Ideally, if
> possible, we should try to achieve consensus around a recommendation in
> time for their next meeting to avoid further delays as noted by the board.
>
>
>
> Owen
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> On Feb 10, 2021, at 11:04 , Sarah Kiden <skiden at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Hi Jordi,
>
>
>
> I would suggest that we wait for the outcome of the Board meeting and then
> take it from there. I believe some recommendations were made in the report
> from the Recall Committee, which I believe will be a good starting place.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Sarah
>
>
>
>
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> On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 5:51 PM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <
> rpd at afrinic.net> wrote:
>
> So ... PDWG colleagues. We need to move.
>
> We need to answer questions and tell the board:
>
> 1. We want to halt everything until we have elections:
> 1.1 On-line elections in a few weeks with the previous electoral
> census?
> 1.2 On-site elections, we don't know when?
>
> 2. We want the board to choose 2 transition chairs?
>
> 3. We want to nominate ourselves a few names for transition chairs and let
> the board to decide, once they confirm their willingness to take the job ?
>
> I don't think other choices are feasible in one week from now ... for
> example, deciding among us by email the 2 cochairs and not enter in an
> endless discussion.
>
> (note that the order is arbitrary, I'm not suggesting anything in the list
> above, I'm happy with any choice IF we are able to reach consensus
> ourselves by next week)
>
> Regards,
> Jordi
> @jordipalet
>
>
>
> ?El 10/2/21 18:18, "chair at afrinic.net" <chair at afrinic.net> escribi?:
>
> Dear Policy Development Working Group,
>
> The AFRINIC Board of Directors would like to thank the Recall
> Committee for its report. The Board has taken note of the findings
> and decision of the Recall Committee to recall the two Policy
> Development Working Group co-Chairs with immediate effect.
>
> It is unlikely that the Policy Development Process can function in
> the absence of a Working Group Chair. The Board would like to
> encourage the Policy Development Working Group to find a way forward.
>
> The Board is scheduled to meet on Wednesday 17 February to discuss the
> matter.
>
> Regards,
> S. Moonesamy
>
> Board Chair, AFRINIC
>
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