[rpd] PDWG situation without co-chairs

[Daniel Yakmut]

I don't agree Fernando, a committee does not usually have that 
'absoluteness' you mentioned. I can also understand the remarks 
'Findings/Outcome of the Recall Committee' to mean that there is a 
hanging process.

Please, the committee's outcome remains that the Co-Chairs should be 
recalled. There must be a pronouncement from the board that constituted 
the Recall committee. This is not a market square so we cannot take the 
'shout of a mad man in the market to mean the proclamation of the king'. 
The king must speak through the authorised channel, before the people 
can accept.

Therefore, we wait!

Simply

Daniel


On 09/02/2021 3:18 am, Badru Ntege wrote:

>

> I believe this is the correct understanding of the outcome.

>

> We now need to move forward with the selection of new co-chairs.

>

> The community is committed to accept the outcome of the committee.

>

> Lets move on.

>

> Regards.

>

> *From: *Fernando Frediani <fhfrediani at gmail.com>

> *Date: *Tuesday, 9 February 2021 at 01:45

> *To: *"rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy" <rpd at afrinic.net>

> *Subject: *Re: [rpd] PDWG situation without co-chairs

>

> No Daniel, the output of the Recall Committee regarding the Co-Chairs 

> is already final (read point 19 from their report) according to whats 

> the CPM says about it, so it does not have to be approved by anyone, 

> not even the Board itself.

>

> So currently we don't have any Co-Chairs.

>

> What the Committee has mentioned in the document is for the Board to 

> lead the election of the new Co-Chairs and determine the transition 

> during this interim.

>

> That's it.

>

> Fernando

>

> On Mon, 8 Feb 2021, 19:29 Daniel Yakmut via RPD, <rpd at afrinic.net 

> <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>> wrote:

>

>     Here we are indeed in a strange situation, which we created for

>     ourselves. A situation we were drumming for. I thought we all had it

>     figured out and  that is why we called for recall of the Co-chairs.

>

>     I am baffled that Jordi is already making a suggestion on how to

>     proceed

>     to get new Co-Chairs. When the recommendations of the Recall

>     Committee

>     has not being assented to. Though, I don't know who is to approve the

>     recommendations of the committee.

>

>     Hence, the response of Jordi is not tenable here, since I have not

>     seen

>     any declaration that, we don't have co-chairs. I am aware that the

>     Alan

>     Barret led committee made recommendations, which requires acceptance,

>     approval and implementation.

>

>     I am rather seeing a strange situation in the haste that is being

>     suggested on how to deal with the 'situation of no Co-chairs'.

>

>     I am currently studying the documents provided by the Recall

>     Committee,

>     to enable one make an appropriate comment. But, at this early

>     stages the

>     outcome of the committees report remains just recommendations.

>

>

>     Simply,

>

>     Daniel

>

>

>

>     On 08/02/2021 9:52 pm, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:

>     > Hi all,

>     >

>     > We are in a very strange situation now.

>     >

>     > We have no co-chairs, we have no meetings (because the Covid) so

>     elections could take place.

>     >

>     > The Recall Committee suggested that the section 3.3 of the CPM

>     shall take effect (if the working group chair is unable to serve

>     his or her full term the WG may select a replacement to serve the

>     remainder of the term).

>     >

>     > The Recall Committee report already suggested that the PDWG

>     should work on this and coordinate with the board.

>     >

>     > Guys, this is our "problem" as a community. Remember that the

>     board is only helping the community here organizing the elections.

>     >

>     > Is not the board who choose the candidates and elects them it is

>     our tasks. Remember that without co-chairs, we can't advance with

>     our work. Who takes care of ensuring a profitable discussion in

>     the list for any policy proposal (and we have many in the table),

>     or even ensuring that there is not any abuse or bad behavior

>     during this period?

>     >

>     > I will like to propose a few ideas and I hope that others also

>     do the same. Remember that this is transition period:

>     >

>     > 1) Ask the board to choose among previous co-chairs that already

>     have proven experience (and hopefully they accept).

>     > 2) Nominate ourselves those previous co-chairs.

>     > 3) A combination of both 1 and 2 above (example, board nominates

>     one, the community another).

>     > 4) Instead of looking for a temporary replacement, asking the

>     board to organize elections in a maximum of 4-6 weeks, using the

>     same procedure that was prepared for the last time and using the

>     same electoral census.

>     >

>     > If we want to board to hear us and take a decision, we should

>     try to reach consensus *among us* without co-chairs. I know it

>     seems difficult, but I'm convinced that at difficult times, this

>     community will be able to work together.

>     >

>     > Eddy, I will love to hear also what you have to say, or if the

>     board already has worked out something, etc.

>     >

>     > Thanks in advance!

>     >

>     > Regards,

>     > Jordi

>     > @jordipalet

>     >

>     >

>     >

>     >

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