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[Jaco Kroon]

Hi Lucilla,

Please clarify the emergency here?  Will a war break out if this policy
doesn't get changed sooner than the normal process?  Will someone die? 
What's the emergency here?

Kind Regards,
Jaco

On 2020/12/02 15:22, lucilla fornaro wrote:


> Dear Community,

>

> Section 3.6 of the CPM says: “The process outlined in this document

> may vary in the case of an emergency. Variance is for use when a

> one-time waiving of some provision of this document is required”.  

> The author should not withdraw this important proposal for two

> reasons: firstly, it is valuable, and secondly, if not approved it

> will automatically expire. 

> I believe this is exactly the moment for the chairs to change the

> process of the PDP, considering that we do find in the case of an

> emergency.

>

>

> Regards Lucilla 

>

> Il giorno mer 2 dic 2020 alle ore 21:48 Ibeanusi Elvis

> <ibeanusielvis at gmail.com <mailto:ibeanusielvis at gmail.com>> ha scritto:

>

>     Dear community, 

>

>     Adding to the ongoing discussion on this mailing list, besides the

>     fact that this Request to Recall the PDWG Co-Chairs is based on

>     personal grievances with the co-chairs and emotions, I don’t see a

>     form of fast tracking this ongoing recall process and like the

>     co-chairs stated, the so-called "promotion or fast-track” is of no

>     benefit to them. They (the co-chairs) just performed their

>     administrative function and in the principle of fairness,

>     openness, and transparency, brought it forward to the RPD

>     community for discussion. Likewise, the personal attack needs to

>     stop, saying that the co-chairs are imitating the behavior of an

>     “AFRICAN DICTATOR” whom wants to do everything they can to stay in

>     power including adjusting the country’s constitution went too far

>     and very disrespectful and an insult to their integrity and

>     personality. Also, a disregard to the long hours and dedication

>     that they have put into the service of this AFRINIC organization. 

>

>     Similarly, proposing a withdrawal of a draft policy proposal is

>     not functional as the CPM 3.4.1 elucidates that first, "During the

>     development of policy, draft versions of the document are made

>     available for review and comment by publishing them on the AFRINIC

>     website and posting them to the rpd at afrinic.net

>     <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net> mailing list.”  which is currently

>     happening. Also, the same CPM 3.4.1 states that "A draft policy

>     expires after one calendar year unless it is approved by the

>     AFRINIC Board of Directors as a policy. Hence, the idea of

>     suggesting a withdrawal should end as well as the personal

>     attacks. If you have an personal issues or grievances with the

>     co-chairs, find a way to settle it with them. 

>

>     Regards, 

>     Elvis. 

>>

>>     I'm a stickler to rules and procedures and not interested or have

>>     a vested interest. Therefore consider my notes below as advisory

>>     to guide your decision as I do not want to argue for it against.

>>

>>     Aside from providing a context you have given in your

>>     earlier email, I must call your attention to this Latin word 

>>     *“no one should be a judge in their own cause”*. It is one of the

>>     cardinal rules of natural justice that no one should act as a

>>     judge a case in which they have a personal (vested) interest.  

>>

>>

>>     Secondly, I wish to refer you to section 3.41. and  3.4.2. of the

>>     CPM as posted below before you invoke sections 3.6 which has lots

>>     of ambiguity which I have noted in my several correspondence on

>>     this mailing list. There  is legal standing of a section of a law

>>     or CMP needs to stand as procedures.

>>

>>     Let me try to clarify with a little LAW 101 classroom explanation

>>     based on the principle of antecedent law.  This simply means *the

>>     Nature and Evolution of the Rules of Procedure and Evidence. is a

>>     doctrine of interpretation where a court  interprets a qualifying

>>     clause to refer to the immediately preceding words or phrases.*

>>     In the light of the above, you must first satisfy the following

>>     in this order BEFORE YOU MAKE ANY CONCENSUS DECISION :

>>

>>     1: Publish on the website which has not been done or referred to

>>     in your email (See CMP section 3.4.1 for advice as seen below)

>>     2.  The draft policy shall be available for review for at least

>>     four weeks before the next Public Policy Meeting. 

>>     3: */CONDITIONAL Statement but best practice before any meeting

>>     or consensus decision is made: /*The Working Group Chair(s) may

>>     request AFRINIC to provide an analysis (technical, financial,

>>     legal or other), of the impact of the draft policy proposal.

>>     4.  Each policy proposals must be place on an agenda for a PUBLIC

>>     MEETING. (This section must be satisfied before you proceed to

>>     interpret section 3.6)

>>     5.  The agenda of the meeting shall be announced on the Resource

>>     Policy Discussion mailing list at least two weeks prior to the

>>     meeting. (Are we having another PPM before the end of this year?)

>>

>>     Please note that my comments are observations and advisory  to

>>     enrich out understanding of the CPM and it's interpretation. 

>>

>>     Regards

>>

>>     Caleb Ogundele

>>

>>

>>

>>     Extract of CPM Referenced

>>     =============================================================================

>>

>>

>>           3.4.1 Draft Policy Proposal

>>

>>     During the development of policy, draft versions of the document

>>     are made available for review and comment by publishing them on

>>     the AFRINIC website and posting them to the rpd at afrinic.net

>>     <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net> mailing list. Each draft policy is

>>     assigned a unique identifier by AFRINIC and the AFRINIC website

>>     shall also contain the version history and the status of all

>>     proposals.

>>

>>     The draft policy shall be available for review for at least four

>>     weeks before the next Public Policy Meeting. The author(s) shall

>>     make the necessary changes to the draft policy according to the

>>     feedback received. The Working Group Chair(s) may request AFRINIC

>>     to provide an analysis (technical, financial, legal or other), of

>>     the impact of the draft policy proposal.

>>

>>

>>

>>           3.4.2 Public Policy Meeting

>>

>>     The draft policy is placed on the agenda of an open public policy

>>     meeting. The agenda of the meeting shall be announced on the

>>     Resource Policy Discussion mailing list at least two weeks prior

>>     to the meeting. No change can be made to a draft policy within

>>     one week of the meeting. This is so that a stable version of the

>>     draft policy can be considered at the meeting. 

>>

>>

>>     On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 10:51 AM Murungi Daniel

>>     <dmurungi at wia.co.tz <mailto:dmurungi at wia.co.tz>> wrote:

>>

>>         +1

>>

>>

>>         > On Dec 2, 2020, at 11:47 AM, Nishal Goburdhan

>>         <nishal at controlfreak.co.za

>>         <mailto:nishal at controlfreak.co.za>> wrote:

>>         >

>>         > On 2 Dec 2020, at 6:29, ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE wrote:

>>         >

>>         >> Dear PDWG Members,

>>         >> We want to acknowledge the proposal on Co-Chair Recall process

>>         >

>>         > please pause.

>>         >

>>         > consider that you are asking this WG if they want to fast

>>         track a proposal that you (the co-chairs and policy officer)

>>         have neither:

>>         > #1 - disclosed to this working group;  sorry, but some

>>         random gmail account posting a proprietary binary to this

>>         list, is *NOT* a policy submission.  those of us that do not

>>         open attachments from random  strangers are waiting for the

>>         text version to be posted to this list (as is the norm)

>>         >

>>         > #2 - given an identifier to yet

>>         >

>>         > without even knowing the contents of the PDF, there are

>>         procedural steps involved in submission that you have not yet

>>         completed.  it’s entirely unclear to me how you expect people

>>         to assess the value of this proposal when they have not yet

>>         had a chance to read it.  and without assessing this value,

>>         it’s inconceivable that you would even consider fast tracking

>>         this.

>>         >

>>         > please, stick to the process.

>>         >

>>         > —n.

>>         >

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