[rpd] [pdwg] AFRINIC Number Resources Transfer Policy Version 1.0

[lucilla fornaro]

>From my previous post it seems like I have answered my own email. Technical

issue, sorry! To avoid any confusion I will post my previous email once
more.

Dear Community,

Co-chairs never said they're not going to publish it. They need time and
they are working on it.
I agree that everyone should be allowed to submit their proposal, but in
this specific case, I think co-chair is right when he says there is one
competing proposal still in discussion and that it would be better to focus
on it considering the amount of time already spent on it from both the
community and co-chairs.
 Once again, I believe we should appreciate a bit more the work co-chairs
do. It must not be easy to manage all the different situations that occur.
Just because it is voluntary, it does not mean they are not facing some
kind of personal/time-related issues.

I agree that having virtual meetings with less time came up to be a big
issue and I believe it would be very helpful to implement periodic
presentations and open discussion tables with authors about proposals.

regards,

Lucilla

Il giorno mer 28 ott 2020 alle ore 20:16 lucilla fornaro <
lucillafornarosawamoto at gmail.com> ha scritto:


> Dear Community,

>

> Co-chairs never said they're not going to publish it. They need time and

> they are working on it.

> I agree that everyone should be allowed to submit their proposal, but in

> this specific case, I think co-chair is right when he says there is one

> competing proposal still in discussion and that it would be better to focus

> on it considering the amount of time already spent on it from both the

> community and co-chairs.

>  Once again, I believe we should appreciate a bit more the work co-chairs

> do. It must not be easy to manage all the different situations that occur.

> Just because it is voluntary, it does not mean they are not facing some

> kind of personal/time-related issues.

>

> I agree that having virtual meetings with less time came up to be a big

> issue and I believe it would be very helpful to implement periodic

> presentations and open discussion tables with authors about proposals.

>

>

> regards,

>

> Lucilla

>

> Il giorno mer 28 ott 2020 alle ore 06:14 JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <

> rpd at afrinic.net> ha scritto:

>

>> Hi AK,

>>

>>

>>

>> I’m sorry, but that is a broken rationale: Any member of the community

>> is free to submit as many proposals as he/she believes are needed. I don’t

>> think anyone is going to be presenting a policy proposal in “bad-faith”

>> just to keep the community busy.

>>

>>

>>

>> The problem is that miss-judgment of consensus (accepting as valid those

>> objections that are clearly non-valid) is making several (actually most of)

>> policy proposals to come back again and again, so this increase the number

>> of proposals in discussion.

>>

>>

>>

>> My proposal in that meeting was very simple: follow the approach done in

>> other RIRs. Have more meetings, focussed in less policy proposals.

>>

>>

>>

>> I also said that is a **no-sense** at all, that we have a virtual

>> meeting with **less time** for the policies than in the face-to-face

>> meetings. Face-to-face meetings have clear restrictions, but in a virtual

>> meeting, at least, we should expect the same time, no much less! Of course,

>> this is not your fault, is the board or staff that decided on the meeting

>> agenda time.

>>

>>

>>

>> I also asked the board to organize at least one PPM every 3 months, if

>> possible with sets of related proposals, the first one probably could take

>> place in December for the Inter-RIR proposals.

>>

>>

>>

>> Last but not least, I’ve the feeling that the burnout is actually created

>> by the way the WG is being miss-managed and by strange, surprising and

>> outrageous PDP interpretations. I’m sorry to say that, but it is my honest

>> and unfortunate feeling.

>>

>>

>>

>> It is not just your fault, it comes from long time and I think staff has

>> not been proactive. Of course this is just my personal opinion and we must

>> recall that we have now a new policy officer, and it takes some time to

>> recover and further to that the Covid situation is not helping at all. As

>> an example of what I’m saying, in the last 3-4 years or so, I’ve been

>> providing useful ideas, that in my opinion helped in other regions to get

>> more participation, such as periodic virtual open presentations (not for

>> decision making), open lunch tables in physical meetings to discuss with

>> authors about proposals, on-site presentations of the proposals before the

>> PPM so there is more time for non-heated discussions and inputs to authors,

>> etc., etc., etc.

>>

>>

>>

>> Only a couple of times, if I recall correctly, we did the virtual remote

>> presentations, but we stoped that, so instead of engaging more and more

>> people, we just wasted our time, because any of this activities needs

>> continuity to be succesful.

>>

>>

>>

>> Regards,

>>

>> Jordi

>>

>> @jordipalet

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

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>> El 27/10/20 20:29, "ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE" <oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng>

>> escribió:

>>

>>

>>

>> Dear Mirriam,

>>

>> Probably you missed the session of the board community engagement during

>> the online AIS. Please watch the videos. There was a 'special' appeal

>> especially to Jordi by our respected Prof that he should reduce the number

>> of proposals he is submitting so that we can reduce the community 'burnout'

>> and have time to extensively discuss issues. Others including Jordi himself

>> also complained that we are allocating to little time to each proposal

>> during the meeting. The only way we can have enough time is to reduce the

>> number of polices. That is simple logic

>>

>> Are you speaking for yourself here?

>>

>> Cheers

>>

>> AK

>>

>>

>>

>> n Tue, 27 Oct 2020, 12:58 Mirriam, <mirriamlauren at yahoo.com> wrote:

>>

>> Hi Abdul,

>>

>>

>>

>> *"The community is made up of volunteers whose time are very precious. We

>> want to reduce community burnout as much as we can and avoid wasting any

>> one's time."*

>>

>>

>>

>> Has any "community volunteer" complained of their Time being wasted Or

>> that they are experiencing burnout from contributing to this community Or

>> you are assuming on everyone's behalf.

>>

>>

>>

>> As far as i know, volunteering to do something is never imposed on

>> anyone. it is something you choose to commit to as an individual, so

>> please, stop this issue of believing and assuming for others. After all,

>> any mental, emotional and physical exhaustion is experienced by an

>> individual not as a community.

>>

>>

>>

>> Always speak for yourself on personal matters.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Mirriam.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> On Tuesday, October 27, 2020, 8:47:15 AM GMT+3, ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE <

>> oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng> wrote:

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Dear Noah,

>>

>> A Section of 3.4.1 of the CPM reads ... "The Working Group Chair(s) may

>> request AFRINIC to provide an analysis (technical, financial, legal or

>> other), of the impact of the draft policy proposal..."

>>

>> We are in the process of asking AFRINIC to provide us with

>> an analysis/advice of how to handle this proposal since a competing

>> proposal is already in the last call.

>>

>> The community is made up of volunteers whose time are very precious. We

>> want to reduce community burnout as much as we can and avoid wasting any

>> one's time. You would agree with me that if the proposal in the last call

>> is ratified then discussing this other one would amount to a waste of time.

>> We have earlier received an analysis/advice on this issue and we this

>> morning received a more detailed analysis/advice on how to proceed with

>> this proposal and we would like to discuss this with you (the authors) so

>> that we are all on the same page going forward.  Please give us a time that

>> is most suitable for you (the authors) and we arrange a zoom meeting.

>>

>> In the meantime, we shall continue to carry out the necessary

>> background work on this proposal.

>>

>> Please accept our apologies for any delay in communicating this to you.

>>

>>  Thanks

>>

>> Co-Chair

>>

>> PDWG

>>

>>

>>

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>> On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 1:25 PM Noah <noah at neo.co.tz> wrote:

>>

>> Hi Co-chairs,

>>

>>

>>

>> The PDP does not allow Co-chairs to approve draft proposals submitted to

>> the WG.

>>

>>

>>

>> The draft proposal has been submitted and is under discussion as per

>> section 3.4 of the CPM and must be published by AFRINIC staff.

>>

>>

>>

>> Can you please tell the WG what you want to discuss with the authors

>> during this call which we did try to discuss openly after you rejected our

>> motivated submission for version 3.0 with the reasons being that the

>> proposal had expired.

>>

>>

>>

>> Cheers,

>>

>> *./noah*

>>

>> neo - network engineering and operations

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 7:31 AM ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE <

>> oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng> wrote:

>>

>> Dear  Noah,

>>

>> It is not yet published because we are still looking into it and we are

>> planning a meeting with the Authors sometime soon.

>>

>> Thanks and Regards

>>

>> Co-Chair

>>

>> PDWG

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> On Sun, 25 Oct 2020, 19:20 Noah via pdwg, <pdwg at afrinic.net> wrote:

>>

>> Attention PDWG Co-chairs,

>>

>>

>>

>> Any reason this proposal has not been posted online on the AFRINIC

>> website?

>>

>>

>>

>> *./noah*

>>

>> neo - network engineering and operations

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> On Sat, Oct 17, 2020 at 4:03 PM Noah <noah at neo.co.tz> wrote:

>>

>> Dear Working Group/Co-Chairs,

>>

>> A new policy proposal  named "AFRINIC resources transfer policy" is

>> submitted for discussions. This proposal obsoletes the current  IPv4

>> transfer within AFRINIC  service region policy, defines rules for transfers

>> of IPv4 and ASNs within the region and between the AFRINIC service region

>> and other regions.

>>

>> The policy allows a category of resources to be transferred out of the

>> region, another category of resources to be transferred inside and denies

>> the transfer of certain resources.

>>

>> We expect this to be a response to a harmonised policy which addresses

>> some of the limitations of the intra-rir policy and proposes a solution for

>> an inter-rir transfer  which minimizes the foreseen risks of uncontrolled

>> outflow of resources.

>>

>>

>>

>> Please find the proposals text below and also attached pdf format.

>>

>> Happiest Weekend,

>>

>> Noah on behalf of

>> The Co-authors

>>

>>

>>

>>

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>> ================================================================

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>>

>>

>> Policy Name: *AFRINIC Number Resources Transfer Policy*

>> ID: (Assigned by AFRINIC)

>> Submission *Date: 17 Oct 2020*

>> Version: 1.0

>> Author(s): (a) Name, (b) Email address, (c) Affiliation, if applicable

>>       Gregoire Olaotan Ehoumi, gregoire at ehoumi.net, independent

>>       Noah  Maina, noah.maina at seacom.com, SEACOM

>>       Adeola A. P. Aina, alain.aina at wacren.net, WACREN

>>

>>

>> *Sections of Policy Manual affected*

>> *Obsoletes*: IPv4 Resources transfer within the AFRINIC Region (Section

>> 5.7 of the CPM)

>>

>> *1.0 Summary of the problem being addressed by this proposal*

>>

>>

>> The AFRINIC IPv4 pool is expected to run out soon. Some entities may need

>> IPv4 space to support their IPv6 deployments, especially to support

>> transition mechanisms, which AFRINIC may not meet. The current Intra-RIR

>> policy in force at AFRINIC allows entities to receive unused IPv4 addresses

>> from other members solely within the AFRINIC region, based on justified

>> needs. Considering the limited IPv4 space initially made available to

>> AFRINIC (AFRINIC manages only 7.23 /8s with a very low ratio of IPv4

>> addresses per Internet user), there will therefore be a need to allow for

>> unused IPv4 from other regions to move into the AFRINIC service region °V

>> this without necessarily depleting AFRINIC's slim amount of IPv4 addresses

>> by transferring space out of the region. The current Intra-RIR transfer

>> policy allows all types of IPv4 allocations/assignments to be transferred,

>> including IPv4 from special purpose blocks (reserved blocks for IXPs and

>> DNS root ops, Last /8, etc.) The current intra-RIR transfer policy does not

>> cover ASNs while there are cases where transfers of ASNs among AFRINIC

>> members is desirable.

>>

>>

>> *2.0 Summary of how this proposal addresses the problem*

>>

>>

>> This new policy defines a set of rules to allow transfer of IPv4

>> addresses and ASNs within the AFRINIC service region; and between the

>> AFRINIC service region and other regions by specifying what categories of

>> resources are eligible for transfer, the location of parties (sources and

>> recipients) and the conditions to be met.

>> The policy segregates resources in different categories and defines which

>> transfer rules apply to each category.

>> Only Legacy resources and resources transferred in from other regions

>> will be transferable out of the AFRINIC service region.

>> The policy also makes the following provisions:

>> - Number resources are non-transferable unless AFRINIC has expressly and

>> in writing approved a request for transfer. AFRINIC is tasked with making

>> prudent decisions on whether to approve the transfer of number resources.

>> - IPv4 addresses and ASNs can be transferred only in accordance with this

>> policy.

>> - AFRINIC does not recognize transfers outside of approved transfer

>> policies and requires organizations holding such resources to return them

>> to the appropriate registries.

>> The goal of this transfer policy is to help distribute resources from

>> those who no longer need them to organizations that need the resources, but

>> cannot obtain them from the AFRINIC free pools.

>> AFRINIC recognizes the following types of transfers:

>> - merger, acquisition, takeover or consolidation,

>> - between AFRINIC members,

>> - between an AFRINIC member and an organization in another region,

>> - between a Legacy resource holder and an AFRINIC member,

>> - between a Legacy resource holder and an organization in another region.

>> AFRINIC will process and record Inter-RIR resource transfers only when

>> the counterpart RIR has an Inter-RIR transfer policy that permits the

>> transfer of IPv4 address space and ASNs between its own region and AFRINIC.

>> Currently, the other regions are APNIC, ARIN, LACNIC, RIPE NCC.

>>

>> *3.0 Proposal*

>>

>>

>> Insert the following text into the CPM (numbering to be changed by staff

>> as appropriate):

>> 3.1 Definitions

>> 3.1.1 "Resource" refers to IPv4 Address space or Autonomous System

>> Numbers.

>> "AFRINIC pool" means the AFRINIC managed pool of IPv4 and ASNs, obtained

>> from IANA (allocated and recovered) or through the ERX (Early registration

>> transfers).

>> 3.1.2 "Special-Purpose pool" means the pool of resources currently

>> reserved for Critical Internet Infrastructures (section 5.6.4 of CPM) and

>> resources distributed during the Exhaustion phases of the soft landing

>> policy (section 5.4 of CPM).

>> 3.1.3 "Legacy resources" refer to resources allocated prior to the RIR

>> system and tagged as Legacy by AFRINIC.

>> 3.1.4 "Others" means resources transferred from other regions through

>> Inter-RIR transfers.

>> 3.1.5 "Inter-RIR transfer" means the transfer of resources from a

>> resource holder in the AFRINIC service region to an organization in another

>> region or vice-versa.

>>

>> *3.2 Marking of the resources*

>>

>> AFRINIC pool == Regional

>> Special-Purpose pool == Reserved

>> Legacy == Legacy

>> Others == Global

>>

>> *3.3 Rules and procedures for selecting resources eligible for transfers*

>>

>> 3.3.1 If source and recipient are AFRINIC members, then allow "Regional",

>> "Global" or "Legacy" for transfer and mark transferred "Legacy" as "Global".

>> 3.3.2 If source is Legacy holder and recipient is AFRINIC member, then

>> allow "Legacy" for transfer and mark transferred resources as "Global".

>> 3.3.3 If source is Legacy holder and recipient is in another region, then

>> allow "Legacy" for transfer.

>> 3.3.4 If source is AFRINIC member and recipient is in another region,

>> then allow "Global" for transfer.

>> 3.3.5 If source is from another region and recipient is AFRINIC member,

>> then allow "Any", and then mark the transferred resources as "Global".

>> 3.3.6 Irrespective of the source and recipient, if the resource to be

>> transferred is "Reserved" then deny transfer. This restriction excludes

>> mergers, acquisitions and takeover transfers.

>>

>> *3.4 Conditions on resources to be transferred*

>>

>> - The size of the IPv4 address prefix should be a minimum of /24.

>> - The resource must qualify for the type of transfer requested.

>> - The resource will be covered by AFRINIC policies after transfer into

>> the region.

>>

>>

>> *3.5 Conditions on the source*- Must be the right holder of the

>> resources to be transferred with no disputes.

>> - If the source is from other regions, conditions on the source are

>> defined in the counterpart RIRs transfer policy.

>>

>> *3.6 Conditions on the recipient*

>>

>> - Will be subject to current AFRINIC policies.

>> -  Must sign RSA.

>> - Recipient that does not have prior resources must:

>> ++ demonstrate a detailed plan for the use of the transferred resources

>> (in the case of ASN, the recipient must meet the criteria for assignment

>> of ASN).

>> - Recipient with prior resources must:

>> ++ demonstrate a detailed plan for the use of the transferred resources

>> (in the case of ASN, the recipient must meet the criteria for assignment

>> of ASN).

>> ++ Show past usage rate.

>> ++ Provide evidence of compliance with AFRINIC policies with respect to

>> past allocations/assignments.

>> - If the recipient is in another region, the conditions on the recipient

>> are defined in the counterparts RIR transfer policy.

>>

>> * 4. References*

>>

>>

>> https://www.nro.net/wp-content/uploads/NRO-Statistics-2019Q2.pdf

>> https://www.potaroo.net/tools/ipv4/

>> https://bgp.potaroo.net/iso3166/v4cc.html

>> https://resources.potaroo.net/iso3166/ascc.html

>> ftp://ftp.afrinic.net/stats/afrinic/transfers/

>>

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