[rpd] General Abuse Contact Policy Proposal

[Lamiaa Chnayti]

Hey Mike,

First, as you clearly posited in your email above, you can work in a
shareholder and, at the same time, represent your personal opinions, right?
In that case, if working in your model means that your personal opinion
would always contradict what you work in to say there are NO biases, then
that's just counterproductive, isn't it?

Well, it's the same for me. I think my proposal could do good for this
community, regardless if the company I have provided my services for once,
benefits or not. And honestly speaking,  I don’t even know whether the
organisation you are referring to will be benefited or not. I proposed it
solely because I believe it’s good for the Internet and the community in
general.
As you can see in our previous discussion, I  believe Jordi’s proposal is
too intrusive and out of the scope of AFRINIC, that’s why I proposed this
current policy. No one has told me how my proposal will affect the
organisation in either a good way or bad way. Frankly, if you disagree with
me regarding the proposal per se, that’s your freedom.

One could also make the case that you're just working for the sole benefit
of Liquid Telecom or whatever organization you’re associated with.

As I said, this is my personal input on the matter. You can't just
disregard my opinion because it is somehow by chance favorable to a
shareholder I have been associated with. You're basically in the same boat
as I am, but you are castigating me for doing something you've already
done, which is quite hypocritical.

Also, to get this clear for once, anything added besides constructive
comments on the policy itself in this thread is totally irrelevant to the
discussion whether it is my CV, social media info or extracurricular
activities. What we shall focus on here is solely policy development.
Furthermore, I would be more than happy to disclose any information when
asked privately, but not under a thread of important policy discussion
because it’s clearly off topic. Let’s not make this whole thing into a
personal attack on one’s credentials when we are supposed to be focusing on
the policy.

Lamiaa

Le lun. 19 oct. 2020 à 11:53, Mike Silber <silber.mike at gmail.com> a écrit :


> I have 30 years of experience in dealing with abuse complaints.

>

> When I represent my employer I use my official work email. When I use my

> personal email, it is to reflect my personal opinions.

>

> Your criticism of the policy and your new proposal seem designed to

> promote your employer’s current business model.

>

> I think it is disingenuous to pretend that is your “personal” opinion.

>

> As such, I would consider your utterances with more credibility if they

> were not pretending to be personal opinions but rather stated as being

> reflective of your employer’s position.

>

>

> On Mon, 19 Oct 2020 at 12:06, Lamiaa Chnayti <lamiaachnayti at gmail.com>

> wrote:

>

>>

>> Hey Mike,

>>

>> Since you are so curious about my life, which is none of your business, I

>> speak 4 languages, which have brought me the opportunity of translating the

>> Larus website. (Which explains the communications specialist experience in

>> my profile, what can I say, I’m trying to put as much as I can on my CV to

>> boost up my profile to future opportunities)

>>

>> All this aside, I do not have to explain myself to you or to anyone else

>> in this list, and I will not allow this strategy of yours of diverting the

>> attention from the policy to my personal life and my social media profiles

>> instead. You have NO right of publishing my info on the list without my

>> approval !!

>>

>> I am asking the chairs to seriously condemn this behaviour on the list

>> because it is getting out of hand and it has become obvious bullying and

>> interference in personal matters. I want this picture removed from this

>> list and the archives.

>>

>> Lamiaa

>>

>> Le lun. 19 oct. 2020 à 10:53, Mike Silber <silber.mike at gmail.com> a

>> écrit :

>>

>>> Your LinkedIn profile says you are a Laurus Foundation employee and not

>>> a fellow.

>>>

>>> Which one is it?

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> On Mon, 19 Oct 2020 at 11:48, Lamiaa Chnayti <lamiaachnayti at gmail.com>

>>> wrote:

>>>

>>>> Dear Mike,

>>>>

>>>> I hope you have read through my proposal, even though the official

>>>> announcement has not been done yet.

>>>>

>>>> Also, I do not understand what you mean by is this a Larus proposal ?

>>>> As shown on the website, it is my and Wijdane’s proposal. I have been

>>>> discussing the abuse matter intensively on the list with Jordi, which only

>>>> solution I could find to improve it, is to come up with another version of

>>>> the policy.

>>>>

>>>> But, to clarify your confusion, I have been a fellow with Afrinic,

>>>> Internet Society and Larus. I am also an undergraduate Architecture

>>>> student, exploring many fields of Interest.

>>>>

>>>> Anyways, this proposal is proposed by me, Lamiaa, as a member of the

>>>> community and as someone from Africa. Affiliation does not make proposals,

>>>> people do, and this is MY proposal. Following your logic,I would like know

>>>> as well, are your comments made by Liquid Telecom or ICANN ? Or any other

>>>> organization that you’ve worked with ?

>>>>

>>>> This proposal is created for the good of the community, and if you

>>>> don’t like it, or there’s anything wrong with it, you can feel free to

>>>> oppose to it with valid objection – and an objection such as the “proposal

>>>> is made by Lamiaa who is from LF” is obviously not a valid one .

>>>>

>>>> I am looking forward to your inputs about the policy itself.

>>>>

>>>> Regards,

>>>>

>>>> Lamiaa

>>>>

>>>> Le lun. 19 oct. 2020 à 10:13, Mike Silber <silber.mike at gmail.com> a

>>>> écrit :

>>>>

>>>>> Hi Lamiaa

>>>>>

>>>>> Is see you work for the Laurus Foundation.

>>>>>

>>>>> Is this a Laurus proposal?

>>>>>

>>>>> Mike

>>>>>

>>>>> On Fri, 02 Oct 2020 at 22:29, Lamiaa Chnayti <lamiaachnayti at gmail.com>

>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> Hello,

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I would like to seize the occasion to propose a new version of the

>>>>>> Abuse Contact policy , which you will find attached below.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I am looking forward to hearing your inputs and contributions.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Regards,

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Lamiaa

>>>>>>

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>>>>> --

>>>> Lamiaa CHNAYTI

>>>>

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>> Lamiaa CHNAYTI

>>

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