[rpd] End of Last call

[Arnaud AMELINA]

+1 @Noah, Miriam et Fernando j'apprécie la façon dont vous opposez des
arguments concrets et précis à des sentiments subjectifs et tendancieux.

AFRINIC -----> EN AVANT !

Arnaud

Le jeu. 8 oct. 2020 à 19:53, ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE <oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng>
a écrit :


> Dear Jordi and PDWG,

>  Please find attached the final version of the two proposals. The board

> prerogatives had no editorial changes however there were editorial changes

> on the Transfer policy proposal. The version could not have been published

> on the web page until the co-chairs approved it. However, It should have

> been included in the initial email, we apologies for this.

>

> @Caleb, Thank you we are happy to consult even beyond previous chairs, and

> we are currently doing that. Regarding publishing of draft proposal,  It

> was published before the online meeting, or which meeting are you referring

> too? We don't understand what you mean, and Please reread the CPM before

> coming to conclusions. Do not assume what the CPM says. Read it.!!!

> The CPM says

> 3.4.3 Last Call

>

> A final review of the draft policy is initiated by the Working Group

> Chair(s) by sending an announcement to the Resource Policy Discussion

> mailing list. The Last Call period shall be at least two weeks. *The

> Working Group Chair(s) shall evaluate the feedback received during the

> Public Policy Meeting and during this period and decide whether consensus

> has been achieved*.

>

> Please point me to the section that says Changes cannot be made during the

> last call? All we did was to do a final review and evaluate the discussion.

> Let us stop these false accusations. Everything we do is in our best

> interest even when we are left with few choices.

> There have also been some individuals saying Co-chairs did not follow the

> PDP. *Can you please elaborate which aspect of the PDP we didn't follow?*.

> Jordi said we did not wait for a response from staff as to if the policy is

> reciprocal. Please Jordi should point us to the section of the CPM that

> said we should wait for this before taking a decision?. In any event, this

> can only be checked with the final approved version, and that was

> exactly what we had asked staff to do because this is only logical.

>   We asked the authors to make changes based on the comment of the

> community. We made sure that the comments of the community were taken fully

> into consideration. We didn't bother about the problem statement

> because the problem statement does not go into the CPM. We understand that

> whichever way we go there would still be some who would not be happy with

> the decision. Therefore, we decided to remove the emotional sentiments

> asking that we move the policy back into the initial discussion stage, and

> we looked at this critically, but we could not find the reason to do this.

> We spent about two hours yesterday evaluating every point raised and we

> both evaluated the pros and cons extensively on every issue raised and we

> narrowed it down before arriving at our decisions.

> On the issue of the legacy holders, we all know, and it was also confirmed

> to us on the mailing list that legacy holders are not subjected to the CPM

> of any of the RIR's. Some misunderstood this initially, and this was

> corrected. Can anyone point out any of the other issue(s)that wasn't

> addressed? Please let us remove the emotional and personal differences.

> *We made sure we followed the CPM to the letter on this issue,* and we

> believe that we did our best to bring this issue that has been a pain to

> the community laid to rest in a timely manner. As said earlier, whichever

> way we go, some would object to it, and we decided to deal with this once

> and for all in the best interest of the community with the least possible

> pain to the community. You elected us to serve the best interest of the

> community while leaving behind emotional issues, and we would continue to

> do just as best as we can.

>

> Co-Chair,

> PDWG

>

>

>

> On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 8:47 AM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <

> rpd at afrinic.net> wrote:

>

>> Hi Moses, all,

>>

>>

>>

>> I feel that there is a fundamental mistake here and I beg you to

>> reconsider it.

>>

>>

>>

>> You've not waited for the staff confirmation about the reciprocity of the

>> Inter-RIR transfers. What happens if now the staff comes back and confirms

>> that we can’t decide in our policy what do to in other regions, so there is

>> no reciprocity and so, we can’t implement this policy?

>>

>>

>>

>> Accordingly, I strongly suggest that you change your mind, following

>> section 3.5 of the PDP: “A person who disagrees with the actions taken by

>> the Chair(s) shall discuss the matter with the PDWG Chair(s) or with the

>> PDWG”.

>>

>>

>>

>> The reasons for this are:

>>

>>    1. The only valid proposal version is the one that is published at

>>    the web site and then announced to the list. The authors did changes

>>    several times, that aren’t there. As we are discussing version 2, we should

>>    have a version 2.x to show those.

>>    2. The staff must confirm the reciprocity of the last 2.x version in

>>    the list. As indicated in 3.4.3, you can extend the last-call to ensure

>>    that this is matched.

>>    3. This and other aspects, have been indicated several times by

>>    myself and others during the last-call. Those are valid-objections that

>>    remain unresolved and if you extend the last-call and agree with the latest

>>    changes from the authors, then could make sense, otherwise, it is

>>    impossible that you can declare the last-call and still “consensus”.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Regards,

>>

>> Jordi

>>

>> @jordipalet

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> El 8/10/20 1:37, "Moses Serugo" <moses.serugo at gmail.com> escribió:

>>

>>

>>

>> Hello PDWG members,

>>

>>

>>

>> Following the last online PPM held on 16th-17th September 2020. Last

>> call was announced on 21st September 2020 for the following policy

>> proposals.

>>

>> ·         Board Prerogatives on the PDP

>>

>> ·         Resource Transfer Policy

>>

>> This is to further announce that the  last call period for the above

>> proposals has ended, based on feedback received from the community and the

>> editorial changes made by authors to address community concerns, the

>> consensus decision from AFRINIC32 is still maintained.

>>

>> Co-Chairs will now send a report to the Board recommending ratification

>> of the two above proposals in line with CPM 3.0.

>>

>> Regards,

>>

>> Co-Chairs

>>

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