[rpd] End of Last call

[Paschal Ochang]

I don't think it will be right to make some derogatory remarks with respect
to participant's timeline of entry into the discussions. Rather, we should
look at the content of discussions and contributions which in this case is
very positive. We as a community encourage active participation to bring
the best out of Policy development outcomes. A few years ago this platform
wasn't that active but the amount of recent comments and participation
shows that there is a move in the positive direction.

The so called newbies have been giving intelligent contributions therefore
telling them to go and read committees archives does not necessarily
dictate that they are not well schooled or knowledgeable to engage in the
PDP process.


Thursday, October 8, 2020, Arnaud AMELINA <amelnaud at gmail.com> wrote:


> +1. Let not waste  our valuable time.  No need to also try to understand

> why these people are so afraid of appeal.   These newbies should read

> carefully the PDP and consult the appeal committee's archives to educate

> themselves  https://afrinic.net/policy/appeal-committee/appeal-2018-

> 01-02#details

>

> Thanks

>

> --

> Arnaud

>

> Le jeu. 8 oct. 2020 à 14:04, Fernando Frediani <fhfrediani at gmail.com> a

> écrit :

>

>> Gaby please read the PDP correctly and do not confuse people.

>>

>> The section 3.5.1 of the CPM says "disagrees with the actions taken by

>> the Chair(s)" not just with declarations made during the PPM. The Chairs

>> could have changed their decision meanwhile but unfortunately they haven't

>> done. They have just decided to keep it and it is "a decision" which by the

>> CPM bound to appeal.

>>

>> Fernando

>> On 08/10/2020 10:49, Gaby Giner wrote:

>>

>> Dear community,

>>

>> I agree with Lucilla but only wish to add 1 point.

>>

>> I think everyone has overlooked one huge matter.

>>

>> It is true that by section 3.5(1) of the CPM “A person who disagrees with

>> the actions taken by the Chair(s) shall discuss the matter with the PDWG

>> Chair(s) or with the PDWG”.

>>

>> However, I wish to remind everyone that by section 3.5(2) of the CPM,

>> “The appeal must be submitted within two weeks of the public knowledge of

>> the decision”.

>>

>> Applying this into the current facts, the Chair has publicly announced

>> its decision on 17th September 2020 through the online PPM, whereas, the

>> disagreement/appeal is only made on 2nd October 2020 onward, which is

>> factually beyond the 14 days period to appeal.

>>

>> Therefore, the disagreements/appeal made in this email thread/mailing

>> list must be deemed invalid and be disregarded.

>>

>> Thanks,

>>

>> Gaby

>>

>> On Thu, Oct 8, 2020, 9:05 PM lucilla fornaro, <

>> lucillafornarosawamoto at gmail.com> wrote:

>>

>>> Dear Sami, dear all,

>>>

>>> Most of the arguments supporting the policy were not mere "opinions".

>>> A quick reminder, the policy reached a rough consensus during the PPM

>>> and went to the last call for some editorial changes. The authors, Taiwo

>>> and Anthony, proved to be remarkably active to manage minor issues and

>>> solicitudes from the community. The resource transfer policy aims to build

>>> a stable and efficient resources management system for the Afrinic service

>>> region.

>>> The overall discussion has been full of controversies undermining the

>>> work of the co-chairs, an unfair behavior in my opinion.  Also, the

>>> arguments against the policy have been strongly taken apart.

>>> We have been debating this policy for weeks, it is now time to move it

>>> to the board for ratification.

>>>

>>> regards,

>>>

>>> Lucilla

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Il giorno gio 8 ott 2020 alle ore 21:09 Sami Ait Ali Oulahcen via RPD <

>>> rpd at afrinic.net> ha scritto:

>>>

>>>> Hi,

>>>>

>>>> I can't see how the "Resource Transfer Policy" could have reached

>>>> consensus.

>>>> I think the co-chairs' prerogative is to declare consensus on policies,

>>>> not general opinions. And "we need an inter-RIR transfer policy" is a

>>>> general opinion, not a policy.

>>>> The policy in question still had objections (non-editorial) before last

>>>> call. And it received significant changes during the last call period

>>>> (it is not what last call is meant for).

>>>>

>>>> Not that I have any interest in the policy itself being ratified or

>>>> not.

>>>> It shouldn't be done this way.

>>>>

>>>> Just my 2c.

>>>>

>>>> Regards,

>>>> Sami

>>>>

>>>> On 10/8/20 12:30 AM, Moses Serugo wrote:

>>>> > Hello PDWG members,

>>>> >

>>>> > Following the last online PPM held on 16^th -17^th September 2020.

>>>> Last

>>>> > call was announced on 21^st September 2020 for the following policy

>>>> > proposals.

>>>> >

>>>> >   * Board Prerogatives on the PDP

>>>> >   * Resource Transfer Policy

>>>> >

>>>> > This is to further announce that the  last call period for the above

>>>> > proposals has ended, based on feedback received from the community

>>>> and

>>>> > the editorial changes made by authors to address community concerns,

>>>> the

>>>> > consensus decision from AFRINIC32 is still maintained.

>>>> >

>>>> > Co-Chairs will now send a report to the Board recommending

>>>> ratification

>>>> > of the two above proposals in line with CPM 3.0.

>>>> >

>>>> > Regards,

>>>> >

>>>> > Co-Chairs

>>>> >

>>>> >

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Kind regards,

Paschal.
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