[rpd] list archives show strange ... and delays

[JORDI PALET MARTINEZ]

Hi Willy,

See below in-line ... 

El 8/10/20 13:34, "Willy Manga" <mangawilly at gmail.com> escribió:

    [**wearing no hats**]

    Hello Jordi,


    On 08/10/2020 12:53, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:
    > Hi all, and AFRINIC IT,
    > 
    > I find a couple of issues with this mailing list.

    I do not think there are issues per se. AFRINIC will likely confirm it.
    But let me explain below why.


    > 1) There is a delay from sending an email to getting it back. I use lists, such as IETF and other RIRs, with many thousands of subscribers, and there is no such delay. Can that be resolved? For example, this email is being sent at 10:53:00 UTC+2, let's see when it comes back.

    what is the exact number we are talking about here ?

*** years! I've observed this always. I've already told Ernest 3 or so years ago. All the other lists come back in almost seconds, so I don't think is related to the size of the list (and I've the feeling that this one has much less subscribers than many others).

    In my humble opinion, you need to pull statistics over a long period and
    you need to agree on "what is the delay to consider as being
    problematic" to confirm there is an issue.

    If you subscribe to a mailing-list and want to receive emails one by one
    (instead of digest mode) , I humbly think you should be worry if you got
    any new email after 1 hour.

*** I disagree, this is not the expected behavior, and it makes the discussions complex and sometimes, you repeat arguments that someone else already send, but haven't been received yet!

    In practice it can be less BUT that should not be a concern modulo the
    delay you consider as critical.
    There are many smtp servers, spam,antivirus and whatever software
    analysis along the path between lists.afrinic.net and your mailbox.

*** All that should take seconds, not minutes!

    Besides, remember that email is *asynchronous* ; it's not built for
    _live_ discussion. It's not a must to get an email ... 10 seconds

    If we only consider your email, actually you should not worry.

    TL;DR answer: the delay was 34 seconds.

*** NO! The delay is almost 8 minutes! Just compare my emails, and we may compare with other folks if they have the same situation or not. If is only myself, it is really strange, may be is due to some misconfiguration with IPv6 at your side? My IPv6 configuration works "in seconds" with IETF and the other RIR emails.

    Let's look the mail headers.

    Your email to AFRINIC (A):

    Received: from mail.consulintel.es ([2001:470:1f09:495::5]:4986)
     by mx2.afrinic.net with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2)
     (envelope-from <prvs=1550742d86=jordi.palet at consulintel.es>)
     id 1kQRfk-00021N-Fz
     for rpd at afrinic.net; Thu, 08 Oct 2020 08:53:13 +0000

    ------------

    From AFRINIC to my mailbox (in google) (B)

    Received: from lists.afrinic.net (lists.afrinic.net. [2001:42d0:0:200::4])
            by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id
    u5si4209596wro.14.2020.10.08.01.53.47
            (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128);
            Thu, 08 Oct 2020 01:53:47 -0700 (PDT)

    ---------------------------

    If we stick to UTC:
    Arrival (B) : Thu, 08 Oct 2020 08:53:47 +0000
    Departure (A): Thu, 08 Oct 2020 08:53:13 +0000


    Total duration: 34 seconds

    Of course from AFRINIC to any rpd's subscriber mailbox it may depends on
    many many reasons as explained above.

*** Look at your email headers "as I've received it", I've attached it.


    > 2) This is even worst. When I look into the archives, the emails are saved in a modified way. For example, I just emailed https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2020/011634.html, and my text under "The reasons for this are:", appears without the numbers and not formatted as the email I send (and the one I got back).

    Actually Jordi, your emails are not easy to read for those who prefer to
    read emails in plaintext :) . I, for instance have to switch to the
    "HTML view" to read your emails.

*** I don't use html by default, but if I'm responding to someone that used HTML, it turns on automatically unless I notice it and I disable it. I use Outlook for Mac (complained to Microsoft many times about the lack of proper quoting, but can't switch because many business apps that rely on it).

    Mailman version 2 keeps emails in plain text and use it to generate the
    web page.
    It's your mail user agent (Microsoft-MacOutlook/16.41.20091302)  which
    is producing emails in a format not well understood by other "more
    standard" mail client software.

    If you refer to that email [1], even my mail user agent (Mozilla/5.0
    (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:68.0) can not display your bullet
    points. I need to view your message as "Original HTML" to see your
    formatting. (I prefer to read emails in plaintext by the way)

    1. https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2020/011634.html

    Besides, I even recall that Owen Delong, 1 or 2 years ago mentioned that
    he has the same difficulties to read correctly your emails. Sorry I
    cannot find the reference now but I'm pretty sure those who read emails
    in plaintext can confirm as well.

    Conclusion: it's not an issue with Afrinic mailman.

    P.S: I think with mailman3, you can keep that formatting in the html
    archives page but I doubt the migration is straightforward :)

    -- 
    Willy Manga
    @ongolaboy
    https://ongola.blogspot.com/

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