[rpd] Decisions ... Abuse contact

[Lamiaa Chnayti]

Hi Patrick,

You are not following any logic here, and it seems like you are a very
confused person on your argument.

1. You claimed that you want to have policy text dictated AFRINIC how OFTEN
they should validate contact in the whois.

2. I am telling you maintaining database accuracy (in which partly includes
validating contact info in the database) is an operational issue. It should
not be put into policy text, and it should be left to the staff to decide
how they want to validate the contact info in the whois database. That is
not only abuse-c, but any other contact in the DB should be reachable and
accurate. We don’t need a policy for that as that is Afrinic’s mandate and
daily routine job.

And how did you arrive from the above arguments to claim I was saying that
the staff were lying?

Staff claimed they have had an increase in work load due to the lack of
mandatory abuse contact. Nobody is disputing that. Everyone here agrees we
can, and we probably should, have a mandatory abuse contact. However, we
should simply put it together with the other mandatory contacts. There is
no reason making an entire section for a simple contact information. And
when did I say that is a lie?

Please, you are making a serious accusation about me without any ground and
potentially you are in breach of the code of conduct.

Additionally, I did not send the letter to you in private. I simply forgot
to press respond to all at the bottom which is a completely forgivable
oversight. You are simply making too big of a noise for a simple mistake.

Regards,

Lamiaa

Le sam. 3 oct. 2020 à 11:45, Patrick Okui <pokui at psg.com> a écrit :


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> Are you trying to say that the AFRINIC staff is lying to the RPD list as

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> Particularly point d? If so please respond to Madhvi with further queries

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> Le sam. 3 oct. 2020 à 11:41, Patrick Okui <pokui at psg.com> a écrit :

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>> Le sam. 3 oct. 2020 à 07:49, Patrick Okui <pokui at psg.com> a écrit :

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>>> Once more regarding this abuse contact policy or abuse-c, irrespective

>>> of the lack of a clear definition of what constitutes or entails an abuse,

>>> there is no guarantee that the abuse contact mail box will be routinely

>>> checked and the properly defined concept to determine if an abuse cases is

>>> valid and hence, take necessary action as pointed out by @Chloe.

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>>> *8.5 Validation of "abuse-c"/"abuse-mailbox”*

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>>> *AFRINIC will validate compliance with the items above, both when the

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>>> as periodically, not less than once every 6 months, and whenever AFRINIC

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