[rpd] Decisions ... Abuse contact

[Jaco Kroon]

Hi Lamiaa,

The link and all related quotes below relates to a dashboard policy.

To the best of my knowledge this policy isn't being pushed, we're
pushing the abuse contact policy, which has now been officially dragging
2 years, the longest open proposal without resolution.  The dashboard is
a different proposal, and I would welcome such a dashboard, whether or
not it should be a matter of policy is a different discussion.

Kind Regards,
Jaco

On 2020/09/30 17:26, Lamiaa Chnayti wrote:

> Hi Jordi,

>

> I am very disappointed with what you are doing. There are a vast

> amount of significant objections that clearly state this policy is a

> no-go.

>

> And it is not only a no-go here, but you have also been clearly told

> so in RIPE as well for the same policy. Why are you not questioning

> the decision of the RIPE working group on the same policy and with

> very similar major objections?

>

> A simple google would find you the following results

> (https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/address-policy-wg/2020-May/013189.html),

> and they are all coming from veterans of the RIPE community:

>

> “Members who "care" will probably deal with issues and those who don't

> care won't start caring, so I'm struggling to see what value this brings”

>

>  Mr Michele Neylon

>  Blacknight Solutions

>

>

> “Why does this need to be a policy?  This is an operational

> implementation thing, not a strategic direction issue.”

>

> Nick Hilliard

>

>

> “I’m even more confused and struggling to understand how this is

> relevant to the AP WG. Could you please explain?

>

> First of all, this dashboard thing is an operational service matter.

> Please clarify why you think it needs to be a policy issue.

>

> Next, if you wanted to know if the NCC is considering this dashboard

> idea, you could simply have asked them. Or raised the matter in the

> NCC Services WG. Have you done either of those things? If so, what was

> the response?”

>

> Jim Reid

>

> Just to quote a few.

>

> People have been repeatedly telling you multiple times: this is not a

> good policy, and you counter-arguing with the chair and saying you

> have addressed those concerns is not really a way to work constructively.

>

> Regards,

>

> Lamiaa

>

>

>

>

> Le mer. 30 sept. 2020 à 16:05, Fernando Frediani <fhfrediani at gmail.com

> <mailto:fhfrediani at gmail.com>> a écrit :

>

>     Hello Chloe, would you support the same reasoning for the Resource

>     Transfer Policy as well ?

>

>     Regards

>     Fernando

>

>     On 30/09/2020 11:53, Chloe Kung wrote:

>>

>>     Hi Jaco,

>>

>>      

>>

>>     I don’t see why you cannot find valid objections and hence think

>>     this proposal should be in the last call. I agree with Gaby. The

>>     fact that many of us are still discussing the matter and object

>>     the proposal in all different reasons, is the prove of there is

>>     no reaching rough consensus. And so we should not rush it into

>>     last call just because some think it’s doing good or all problems

>>     have been taken care of.

>>

>>      

>>

>>     Like for objection d; no proper definition of the term Abuse,

>>     there is still a need to address on it. Yes the proposal is about

>>     “building” abuse contact, but just like what Jordi has said, “

>>     The policy only needs to state what the staff should evaluate and

>>     thus, what members should do”, if the definition of the word/ act

>>     of Abuse is not clear, how can the staff evaluate such action

>>     then? Let's say if they interpret those cases in their own

>>     different ways, it will not be fair to any of the parties nor

>>     would it be something we want I suppose. And there are high

>>     chance of having mis-interpretation too!

>>

>>      

>>

>>     Best,

>>

>>     Chloe

>>

>>

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