[rpd] Decisions ... Abuse contact

[Jaco Kroon]

Hi Lamiaa,

The link and all related quotes below relates to a dashboard policy.

To the best of my knowledge this policy isn't being pushed, we're
pushing the abuse contact policy, which has now been officially dragging
2 years, the longest open proposal without resolution.  The dashboard is
a different proposal, and I would welcome such a dashboard, whether or
not it should be a matter of policy is a different discussion.

Kind Regards,
Jaco

On 2020/09/30 17:26, Lamiaa Chnayti wrote:
> Hi Jordi,
>
> I am very disappointed with what you are doing. There are a vast
> amount of significant objections that clearly state this policy is a
> no-go.
>
> And it is not only a no-go here, but you have also been clearly told
> so in RIPE as well for the same policy. Why are you not questioning
> the decision of the RIPE working group on the same policy and with
> very similar major objections?
>
> A simple google would find you the following results
> (https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/address-policy-wg/2020-May/013189.html),
> and they are all coming from veterans of the RIPE community:
>
> “Members who "care" will probably deal with issues and those who don't
> care won't start caring, so I'm struggling to see what value this brings”
>
>  Mr Michele Neylon
>  Blacknight Solutions
>
>
> “Why does this need to be a policy?  This is an operational
> implementation thing, not a strategic direction issue.”
>
> Nick Hilliard
>
>
> “I’m even more confused and struggling to understand how this is
> relevant to the AP WG. Could you please explain?
>
> First of all, this dashboard thing is an operational service matter.
> Please clarify why you think it needs to be a policy issue.
>
> Next, if you wanted to know if the NCC is considering this dashboard
> idea, you could simply have asked them. Or raised the matter in the
> NCC Services WG. Have you done either of those things? If so, what was
> the response?”
>
> Jim Reid
>
> Just to quote a few.
>
> People have been repeatedly telling you multiple times: this is not a
> good policy, and you counter-arguing with the chair and saying you
> have addressed those concerns is not really a way to work constructively.
>
> Regards,
>
> Lamiaa
>
>
>
>
> Le mer. 30 sept. 2020 à 16:05, Fernando Frediani <fhfrediani at gmail.com
> <mailto:fhfrediani at gmail.com>> a écrit :
>
>     Hello Chloe, would you support the same reasoning for the Resource
>     Transfer Policy as well ?
>
>     Regards
>     Fernando
>
>     On 30/09/2020 11:53, Chloe Kung wrote:
>>
>>     Hi Jaco,
>>
>>      
>>
>>     I don’t see why you cannot find valid objections and hence think
>>     this proposal should be in the last call. I agree with Gaby. The
>>     fact that many of us are still discussing the matter and object
>>     the proposal in all different reasons, is the prove of there is
>>     no reaching rough consensus. And so we should not rush it into
>>     last call just because some think it’s doing good or all problems
>>     have been taken care of.
>>
>>      
>>
>>     Like for objection d; no proper definition of the term Abuse,
>>     there is still a need to address on it. Yes the proposal is about
>>     “building” abuse contact, but just like what Jordi has said, “
>>     The policy only needs to state what the staff should evaluate and
>>     thus, what members should do”, if the definition of the word/ act
>>     of Abuse is not clear, how can the staff evaluate such action
>>     then? Let's say if they interpret those cases in their own
>>     different ways, it will not be fair to any of the parties nor
>>     would it be something we want I suppose. And there are high
>>     chance of having mis-interpretation too!
>>
>>      
>>
>>     Best,
>>
>>     Chloe
>>
>>
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