[rpd] Policy Proposal: PDP Working Group (WG) Guidelines and Procedures

[Arnaud AMELINA]

Nobody said we implement ripe? We propose Afrinic variety..it’s Fernando
who made a wild claim that consensus not for real world and an example was
shown to him. Why are we now talking ripe voting? Discuss the document in
front of you!

BTW: you are the one always using situations in other region as reference.

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4.0 References
Similar policies or procedures defined by the community, for the same
purpose, also exist in the other regions
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https://afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-gen-007-d2#proposal

Thanks

Arnaud

Le mar. 1 sept. 2020 à 08:58, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net>
a écrit :


> Hi Arnaud,

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> Exactly you said it!

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> That’s way you should read the full WG elections text, and not just the 1

> st paragraph.

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> Context is different and even if you read the full text, but you aren’t

> active participant there, you will not see how the community works there.

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> Regards,

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> Jordi

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> @jordipalet

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> El 1/9/20 10:40, "Arnaud AMELINA" <amelnaud at gmail.com> escribió:

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> Hi Jordi,

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> I did not miss any text... I was pointing to the election by consensus

> part  of the process and I have put the text I quoted  starting and ending

> with dot lines, which means there are text before and after... anyone is

> free to read as I also provided the URL....

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> What you describe as how things end up for many WG in RIPE region,

> complies  with the appointment process with only one candidate.

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> This happens often when the WG is well organized, key and active

> participants are known and so chairs are easily selected among those who

> present the profile needed at each stage.

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> Thanks

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> Arnaud

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> Le lun. 31 août 2020 à 08:58, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <

> rpd at afrinic.net> a écrit :

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> Hi Arnaud,

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> However, you are still missing this text:

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> “If no consensus can be reached then a secret ballot to elect the new

> chair(s) will be held at the working group session. Everyone physically

> present at the session can participate in the secret ballot. Votes will be

> counted by RIPE NCC Staff, and the result will be determined using

> proportional representation through the single transferable vote, otherwise

> known as PR-STV. The winner(s) of the secret ballot will become the new

> chair(s).”

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> So, if other people in this list don’t read the full text, they can have

> the idea that is “only” done by consensus.

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> Again, the important point here is that the context is **very**

> different. In RIPE WGs, we didn’t need to do a voting because when there

> were **several** candidates (very few occasions, because there are many

> WGs, so the candidates are split among them), and before that happening,

> candidates will withdraw in favor of others, so only **a single**

> candidate remain, and this, there is no need for “consensus” it is just

> “elected by acclamation”.

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> For that, we **don’t** need to change the procedure here. We just need

> that the actual candidates decide among them which one remains and all the

> other ones withdraw. Then the voting is not needed.

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> Regards,

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> Jordi

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> @jordipalet

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> El 30/8/20 23:42, "Arnaud AMELINA" <amelnaud at gmail.com> escribió:

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> Le dim. 30 août 2020 à 18:15, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <

> rpd at afrinic.net> a écrit :

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> Hi all,

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> Can someone point where in the RIPE PDP talks about “elections by

> consensus” **only** ? I live there, I’m a very active participant (in all

> the 5 RIRs actually), and I tried to find that, as I didn’t recall it, and

> was not able to.

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> Nobody says RIPE PDP talks about “elections by consensus” **only**. And

> not interested in self praise.

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> There was a specific argument which made folks to point  to “elections by

> consensus” being used  by some WGs in RIPE region.

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> The example of the Address Policy WG can be seen here:

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> https://www.ripe.net/participate/ripe/wg/active-wg/ap/address-policy-wg-chair-selection-process

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> It reads:

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> “.........

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> The working group will select new chair(s) at the RIPE Address *Policy

> Working Group* session. Those present at the session, either in person or

> remotely, *will determine by consensus among themselves who takes the

> available position(s)*. The remaining chair will determine whether

> *consensus* has been reached. If the working group finds itself without a

> chair the RIPE chair will determine *consensus*.

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> ...............”

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> Working Group practices including the selection of Co-Chairs are in WG

> operations’ guidelines and not in the PDP.

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> Thanks,

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> Arnaud

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