[rpd] Policy Proposal: PDP Working Group (WG) Guidelines and Procedures

[Owen DeLong]

Marcus,

This can vary from working group to working group and depends on the working group charter.

In most cases, yes, consensus determined by the remaining co-chair(s) is the primary and preferred method of electing a co-chair, however, failing that, the RIPE-NCC chair makes the decision and his/her decision is final.

So, unless you want to include a fall-back where the Chairman of the Board appoints a WG co-chair when a consensus isn’t reached, I’d say that the proposed mechanism is a truly bad idea.

Since I don’t think that having the chairman of the AfriNIC board appointing RPD co-chairs, I will say that the proposed mechanism is a truly bad idea.

Owen



> On Aug 29, 2020, at 10:21 AM, Marcus K. G. Adomey <madomey at hotmail.com> wrote:

> 

> Hi Fernando,

> 

> Let me not get involve at this stage in the discussions about which model of election is good or bad for the PDPWG.

> 

> You have not answered my question. I am posting it again.

> 

> I would like to find out whether you agree that the election by consent is used by working groups in RIPE region?

> 

> Please do justice to it. 

> 

> Thanks

> 

> 

> Marcus

> 

> 

> 

> From: Fernando Frediani <fhfrediani at gmail.com <mailto:fhfrediani at gmail.com>>

> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 2:29 PM

> To: rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net> <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>

> Subject: Re: [rpd] Policy Proposal: PDP Working Group (WG) Guidelines and Procedures

>  

> Seems the authors are actually repeating the same arguments and points.

> I am instead putting the many reasons election by consensus is not feasible, specially in this scenario we are going through currently.

> What doubt you have about this position regardless the RIR or region ? Perhaps you should read the messages again.

> 

> Fernando

> 

> On 29/08/2020 10:31, Marcus K. G. Adomey wrote:

>> Hi Fernando,

>> 

>> Thank you for your reaction but it appears you are not discussing but repeating yourself with no value add.

>> 

>> I would like to find out whether you agree that the election by consent is used by working groups in RIPE region?

>> 

>> Thanks

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Marcus

>> 

>> From: Fernando Frediani <fhfrediani at gmail.com> <mailto:fhfrediani at gmail.com>

>> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 7:26 PM

>> To: rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net> <rpd at afrinic.net> <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>

>> Subject: Re: [rpd] Policy Proposal: PDP Working Group (WG) Guidelines and Procedures

>>  

>> Hello

>> 

>> If we are having all this trouble to define the next elections probably 

>> because there are multiple people interested in the next elections, how 

>> can we dream about any consensus ?

>> 

>> Consensus is for proposals, for a collaborative improving process that 

>> may take months or even more than an year, not for electing people.

>> What is the fear to have a proper vote process ? 1 person 1 vote and the 

>> candidate with most votes wins and servers the term. What can go wrong ?

>> When one is elected with most votes and there are no signals of fraud 

>> there is no room for disputes and discussions.

>> 

>> Qualified people are people who effectively participate in the 

>> construction of the process, who are truly part of it and have 

>> commitment to it and not someone who is just passing in front of the 

>> door once in a lifetime.

>> 

>> Afrinic PDP doesn't even have yet the possibility the Board to appoint 

>> interim Co-Chairs when necessary.

>> 

>> Fernando

>> 

>> On 28/08/2020 15:16, ALAIN AINA via RPD wrote:

>> > Hello,

>> >

>> > Below are our  responses to  last comments received on list on this proposal.

>> >

>> >

>> > ###### Comment 1

>> > Elections by consent is not for real world.

>> > #######

>> >

>> > It does work for working groups chairs selection in RIPE region

>> >

>> > ##### Comment 2

>> > It's just something too utopic.

>> > #######

>> >

>> > As  utopic as  how “rough consensus” appear until you experiment it and cherish

>> >

>> > ###### Comment3

>> > Election by vote where qualified people (with minimal requirements) vote and the candidate with the highest votes win, works in most places in the world with less margin  for further disputes

>> > ######

>> >

>> > there are many models of elections with different ways of qualifying voters, determining the winners, etc....

>> > What you described is just one the them. Not one fits all.

>> >

>> > Each  region adopts the best model for its PDP and how chairs/lead for the PDP activities are selected.

>> > https://www.apnic.net/community/participate/sigs/sig-guidelines/chair-elections/rir-comparison-table/ <https://www.apnic.net/community/participate/sigs/sig-guidelines/chair-elections/rir-comparison-table/>

>> >

>> > One can see for example that in the case of LACNIC where, there is an electronic votes by those subscribed to the policy mailing list, the elections results “must” be ratified by consensus among those present  at the PPM as judged by the acting chairs. If results can’t be rectified, board appoint an interim chair.

>> >

>> > The AFRINIC PDPWG adopted in the past  the model of  votes by those physical present at the PPM, until it showed its limit recently.

>> >

>> > Can you please elaborate on how the “qualified people” should be selected in the context the PDPWG for the online voting and how to prevent abuse and further disputes?

>> >

>> >

>> > HTH

>> >

>> > —Alain

>> >

>> >

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