[rpd] Policy Development Process and Elections

[Benjamin Investor]

Dear Jordie,
Thanks for your suggestion.
 My old employer is a resource member and we share  different views on some
issues. At that time I could only have been able to share my views
different from his, if I have another job to feed my family. Africa is not
like Europe. It takes 5 seconds to sack an employee in the private sector
and NOTING would happen execpt that your wife would leave you for another
man and your children would call you a useless father and a sparm donor.
 Let me ask again is there anyone against my suggestion?

On Sun, Aug 16, 2020, 9:01 AM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net>
wrote:


> Hi Kangamutinma,

>

>

>

> It was just an example. Clearly is not the same, in fact there are small

> differences even between countries with similar structures.

>

>

>

> In the case of the PDP and the bylaws, the last resort will be ICANN and

> it is clear in the ICP-2. They bylaws are contradicting the ICP-2 and this

> is very very very bad. We (the board, the membership, even the community in

> this case), should correct that.

>

>

>

> I know the community has nothing to do with the bylaws, but the actual

> bylaws are in violation with ICP-2 regarding to who is able to participate

> in the PDP and attributions to the board which are in fact from the

> community, that his is a community matter.

>

>

>

>

>

> Regards,

>

> Jordi

>

> @jordipalet

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> El 16/8/20 4:00, "Kangamutima zabika Christophe" <funga.roho at yandex.com>

> escribió:

>

>

>

> Je soutiens les propos de Dewole.

>

>

>

> Le problème est que derrière des candidatures à une élection, il y a aussi

> des stratégies électorales. Il est clair que cette adhésion massive et

> instantanée relève d'intention à peine voilée de bourrer les urnes.

>

>

>

> Quant à la préoccupation de Jordi, je ne pense pas que Transposer la

> structure d'un pays à la communauté afrinic serait tout à fait exact. Je

> suis d'accord du fait que beaucoup des dispositions des statuts d'afrinic

> sont lacunaires et des fois contradictoires avec le PDP mais dans la

> hiérarchie des normes la communauté devrait déterminer selon les

> thématiques abordées quelle institution pourrait primer sur l'autre, quel

> texte prévaudrait sur l'autre.

>

>

>

> En plus, chaque fois qu'il y aura conflit d'interprétation des textes

> (statuts, PDP), quel est l'organe ou l'entité habilité à trancher sur ce

> différend (au regard des cours constitutionnel dans le cas d'un Etat).

>

>

>

> KANGAMUTIMA ZABIKA

>

>

>

> 15.08.2020, 14:04, "Dewole Ajao via RPD" <rpd at afrinic.net>:

>

> Looks like you misinterpreted paragraph "g", Jordi.

>

> (g)  .... AFRINIC undertakes to preserve this right so that *no one who

> has recently subscribed* to the rpd mail list *will be debarred and/or

> ‘disenfranchised’ *from participating in the Policy Development Process.

>

> I interpreted it to mean: EVERYONE who has recently subscribed to the rpd

> will be allowed to participate in the elections.

>

> Regards,

>

> Dewole.

>

> On 8/15/2020 1:24 PM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:

>

> Hi Noah,

>

>

>

> The ICP-2 is very clear on this and we all, should know it very well. It

> is a very well understood concept in all the RIRs. In fact, the message

> from Eddy recognized that as well.

>

>

>

> The PDP is the **global community**, while the board is only a

> representation of a small subset of the community: the members of only

> AFRINIC region.

>

>

>

> I guess the bylaws were created before the constitution of AFRINIC, or in

> the very early stage. I don’t know if there is a document that shows all

> the history of this document and all the modifications (if any) that have

> been done since them.

>

>

>

> The board is **only** able to setup rules for the membership.

>

>

>

> The PDP has a “higher” scope: as it sets rules for all.

>

>

>

> When you say “The volunteers at the board are given the mandate by the

> community. The community includes number resources members who form part of

> the community.”, is wrong in the first sentence “the volunteers at the

> board are given the mandate by the membership” and the membership is only

> responsible for membership issues. That’s why is totally wrong to have in

> the bylaws (which are for membership), text impossing rules to the

> community (which should be at the PDP).

>

>

>

> Following with your next paragraph, the bylaws are wrong. There is NO WAY,

> the bylaws can enforce what the community (PDP) want to do. The bylaws can

> only enforce the membership.

>

>

>

> And yes, the board can be wrong, and it is perfectly fine, and I’m

> convinced they always act in good faith and try to do what they believe is

> best for membership, but this is not neccesarily correct or the best for

> the community. Exactly the same like a partliament in a country, which

> represents the citizens, can be wrong, and that’s why, courts, could decide

> that something that the parliament has decided, need to be amended.

>

>

>

>

>

> Regards,

>

> Jordi

>

> @jordipalet

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> El 15/8/20 14:04, "Noah" <noah at neo.co.tz> escribió:

>

>

>

> Hi Jordi

>

>

>

> The volunteers at the board are given the mandate by the community. The

> community includes number resources members who form part of the community.

>

>

>

> And when you say the volunteers at the board  are wrong, and the bylaws

> are wrong, do you mean the community is wrong?

>

>

>

> Noah

>

>

>

> On Sat, 15 Aug 2020, 08:06 JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD, <rpd at afrinic.net>

> wrote:

>

> Hi Eddy, all,

>

>

>

> While I fully agree that it is perfectly appropriate for the Board to

> decide on the way co-chairs elections are done and even more in this

> exceptional situation, I think there are some broken statements in this

> email.

>

>

>

> AFRINIC bylaws, in my opinion, are in trouble and against ICANN ICP-2,

> because are contradicting the consensus and bottom-up approach of the PDP

> and consequently the co-chairs elections. I will urge to update them.

>

>

>

> As a matter of fact, the articles in section 11 related to the PDP don’t

> exist in any other RIR (I’ve read all them again a few minutes ago, just in

> case I was missing anything), neiher anything similar. Unfortunatelly I

> only realized this a couple of days ago, when I was preparing a policy

> proposal that is not yet published.

>

>

>

> Note, and this is not your fault, but from previous boards, that the board

> has decided on changes and restrictions to the PDP and contravenued the

> bylaws, because the board never brought those “policies” or “procedures” to

> the PDP to be endorsed (by consensus) by the community. Wait for my last

> proposal to be published for more details.

>

>

>

> Let me clarify, below in-line each of the points.

>

>

>

> Regards,

>

> Jordi

>

> @jordipalet

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> El 14/8/20 14:49, "AFRINIC Communication" <comms at afrinic.net> escribió:

>

>

>

> [Version en français ci-dessous]

>

>

>

> Dear colleagues,

>

> Further to its communique issued on 5 August 2020, AFRINIC wishes to

> inform its community that following its announcement regarding the holding

> of the Policy Development Working Group (“PDWG”) Co-Chair and NRO ASO-AC

> elections for the year 2020, it has considered all responses obtained in

> respect thereof.

>

> Consequently, AFRINIC considers it appropriate to clarify, for the

> benefits of its community, the following:

>

> (a)   That the Public Policy Meeting (“PPM”) is convened by the AFRINIC

> Board of Directors pursuant to the provisions of articles 11.2 and 11.3 of

> the Bylaws;

>

> [Jordi] This is wrong, and should be corrected. A RIR is only assisting

> the community in terms of PDP. It is up to the community to decide how this

> is done and what the community wants to be done by the RIR. The community

> can agree that the elections are handled by the AFRINIC board and that the

> board can delegate into a committee. That’s fine and I think is the correct

> way, but can’t be imposed to the community. Those articles should NOT be

> there. They don’t exist in any other RIR. It is a big mistake. I also fully

> support, that the PDP **must have** some special provisions to give the

> board some powers on:

>

> 1.       Call for the PDP meetings.

>

> 2.       Assist/manage the co-chair elections by means of the PDP decided

> procedure. If there is not a procedure, this is the community fault and

> thus the board should be able to decide how to do it.

>

> 3.       Allow an appeal process (by the board or delegated into a

> committee), but following the PDP, not restricting it.

>

> 4.       Ratify policies. Only policies that will clearly damage the RIR

> membership can’t be ratified and should be returned to the PDP for further

> discussion.

>

> 5.       In emergency situations, adopt a policy **regarding the

> management of resources** (not the PDP), **which must be brought to the

> PDP back for the community consensus/endorsement** otherwise must be

> stopped.

>

>

>

> [Jordi] In addition to that, the bylaws are discriminatory and CLEARLY

> against the ICP-2 and this is a **BIG** irregularity and breach of the

> ICANN empowerment assigned to AFRINIC. THIS MUST BE RESOLVED IMMEDIATELY.

> The section 3 of ICP-2 is clear in many paragraphs in regards to the

> bottom-up self-governance for setting local policies “accessible to all

> interested parties”. The bylaws, clearly contradict the PDP, and that

> should **not** happen.

>

>

> (b)  That in regard to the election of the PDWG Co-Chair and

> notwithstanding the fact same is held during the PPM, section 3.1 of the

> Consolidated Policy Manual (“CPM”) clearly and in no uncertain terms

> provides as follows: - “Internet number resource policies are distinctly

> separate from AFRINIC general business practices and procedures. General

> business practices and procedures are not within the purview of the Policy

> Development Process.

>

> [Jordi] And that clearly means that the PDP, neither the bylaws have

> authorized the board to take over the elections. The elections of the

> co-chairs, as the co-chairs itself, are part of the PDP. Again, I agree

> that meanwhile we don’t have in the PDP an explicit procedure, it is just

> fine to allow the board to assist on that and manage the elections. BUT

> this should be corrected ASAP by the community.

>

>

> (c)   That in light of para (b) above, the election process applicable to

> the PDWG Co-Chair election does not form an integral part of the CPM and is

> thus a matter for the Board of Directors to determine;

>

> [Jordi] I disagree. The chair position is a mandate of the PDP. Just look

> into other RIRs. Is the community the one that manages that. The board of

> each RIR is just delegated by the PDP to do that, as an oversight. And

> still note that I’m supporting, at the time being, the board decision on

> the way to do the next elections, but that’s different than confirming that

> this is a business of the board **unless** that task is delegated by the

> community to the board.

>

>

>

>

> (d)  That, consistent with the above and having considered the

> exceptional context of the COVID-19 pandemic, the Board of Directors

> recently resolved, inter-alia, that the forthcoming PPM will be held

> virtually and has even caused an Election Process 2020 to be

> published applicable to all elections to be held during the year 2020;

>

> (e)   That in so far as the role of the PDWG is concerned, the core

> responsibility of the latter is to discuss policy proposals via the

> Internet (mailing list) or in person (during face-to-face PPM). Hence,

> since time restrictions are prevalent for the policy discussions during the

> PPM, rough consensus of policy proposals is determined during the PPM by

> considering both online and on-site contributions. Final consensus is

> decided upon after consideration of the discussions in the Last Call period;

>

> [Jordi] Fully agree here on the matter of time. It is ridiculous the time

> that was spent in the PPMs in previous meetings for elections. They should

> be from now on, regardless of the pandemic, electronic and open to

> non-on-site participants. HOWEVER, according to the actual PDP the

> consensus is determined only, according to the actual PDP “during the PPM”,

> and that’s why I’ve proposed a PDP change so it is explicitly clear that

> also the discussion on the list must be considered for the consensus.

>

>

> (f)   That the right attributed to its community to contribute to policy

> discussions by either subscribing to the rpd mailing list or

> participating in the discussions in the upcoming PPM by registering for and

> attending the online meeting is sacrosanct and AFRINIC hereby renews its

> commitment that it will continue to give full effect to the principles of

> Policy Development as stipulated in section 3.2 of the CPM;

>

> (g)   That, for the purposes of para (e) above, subscription to the

> AFRINIC rpd mailing list is considered as a step towards participation in

> the PDWG and AFRINIC undertakes to preserve this right so that no one who

> has recently subscribed to the rpd mail list will be debarred and/or

> ‘disenfranchised’ from participating in the Policy Development Process.

>

> (h)  For purposes of clarity, below are subscription numbers from January

> 2019 to 13 August 2020.

>

>

>

> *2019*

>

> *Number*

>

> January

>

> 3

>

> February

>

> 8

>

> March

>

> 3

>

> April

>

> 9

>

> May

>

> 30

>

> June

>

> 53

>

> July

>

> 8

>

> August

>

> 11

>

> September

>

> 3

>

> October

>

> 4

>

> November

>

> 11

>

> December

>

> 18

>

> *2020*

>

> January

>

> 1

>

> February

>

> 13

>

> March

>

> 7

>

> April

>

> 2

>

> May

>

> 5

>

> June

>

> 9

>

> July

>

> 177

>

> August 13th 12:50 UTC

>

> 27

>

> *Current number of list subscribers*

>

> *986*

>

>

>

> [Jordi] I think it is obviously suspicious that suddenly there is such big

> increase in the registration on the RPD once it is announced that there may

> be a need to do online elections, and considering that at that time there

> was not any open discussion on policy proposals or new versions of existing

> ones. So, once more, I support the board decision on the procedure for the

> electronic elections and limiting the participation for those that are

> registered several months up-front them.

>

>

>

> On this note, AFRINIC encourages the PDWG to increase its engagement in

> the Policy Development Process through their active, substantial

> and constructive participation in developing resource policies that will

> help AFRINIC in its mission of managing Internet Number Resources for the

> African region.

>

> Furthermore, AFRINIC would like to take this opportunity to renew its

> invitation to the AIS’20 meeting and recommend that the community follows

> all procedures put in place for their online registration in

> respect thereof.

>

>

>

> Eddy Kayihura

>

> CEO

>

>

>

> ……………………

>

>

>

>

>

> Chers collègues,

>

>

>

> Suite à son communiqué publié le 5 août 2020, l'AFRINIC souhaite informer

> sa communauté que suite à son annonce concernant la tenue des élections du

> co-président du groupe de travail sur l'élaboration des politiques ("PDWG")

> et de l'ASO-AC du NRO pour l'année 2020, elle a examiné toutes les réponses

> obtenues à cet égard.

>

>

>

> En conséquence, AFRINIC considère qu'il convient de clarifier, pour le

> bénéfice de sa communauté, ce qui suit :

>

>

>

> (a) Que la réunion de politique publique ("PPM") est convoquée par le

> Conseil d'administration de l'AFRINIC conformément aux dispositions des

> articles 11.2 et 11.3 des statuts ;

>

>

>

> (b) En ce qui concerne l'élection du co-président du PDWG, et bien qu'elle

> ait lieu pendant la Réunion de politique publique, la section 3.1 du

> Consolidated Policy Manual ("CPM") prévoit clairement et sans ambiguïté ce

> qui suit : - "Les politiques en matière de ressources de numéros Internet

> se distinguent clairement des pratiques opérationnelles et des procédures

> générales d'AFRINIC, qui ne sont pas du resort du processus d'élaboration

> des politiques''.

>

>

>

> c) Qu'à la lumière du paragraphe b) ci-dessus, le processus d'élection

> applicable à l'élection du coprésident du PDWG ne fait pas partie

> intégrante du CPM et donc est du ressort du conseil d'administration ;

>

>

>

> (d) Que, conformément à ce qui précède et après avoir pris en compte le

> contexte exceptionnel de la pandémie COVID-19, le Conseil d'administration

> a récemment décidé, entre autres, que la prochaine réunion de politiques

> publiques se tiendra virtuellement et a même fait publier un processus pour

> les élections pour l'année 2020 applicable à toutes les élections devant se

> tenir en 2020 ;

>

>

>

> e) Que, en ce qui concerne le rôle du PDWG, la responsabilité principale

> de ce dernier est de discuter des propositions politiques via Internet

> (liste de diffusion) ou en personne (lors de la réunion en face-à-face).

> Par conséquent, étant donné que le temps imparti aux discussions politiques

> pendant la réunion est limité, un consensus approximatif sur les

> propositions politiques sera déterminé pendant la réunion en tenant compte

> des contributions en ligne et sur place. Le consensus final sera décidé

> après examen des discussions durant la période du dernier appel ;

>

>

>

> (f) que le droit attribué à sa communauté de contribuer aux discussions

> politiques, soit en s'inscrivant à la liste de diffusion rpd, soit en

> participant aux discussions de la prochaine Réunion de politiques publiques

> en s'inscrivant et en assistant à la réunion en ligne est sacro-saint et

> que l'AFRINIC renouvelle par la présente son engagement à continuer à

> donner plein effet aux principes d'élaboration des politiques comme stipulé

> dans la section 3.2 de la CPM ;

>

>

>

> (g) Que, aux fins du paragraphe (e) ci-dessus, l'inscription à la liste de

> diffusion rpd d'AFRINIC est considérée comme une étape vers la

> participation au PDWG et AFRINIC s'engage à préserver ce droit afin

> qu'aucune personne qui s'est récemment inscrite à la liste de diffusion rpd

> ne soit exclue et/ou "privée" de sa participation au processus

> d'élaboration des politiques.

>

>

>

> (h) Par souci de clarté, voici le nombre d'abonnement de janvier 2019 au

> 13 août 2020.

>

>

>

>

>

> *2019*

>

> *Nombres*

>

> Janvier

>

> 3

>

> Février

>

> 8

>

> Mars

>

> 3

>

> Avril

>

> 9

>

> Mai

>

> 30

>

> Juin

>

> 53

>

> Juillet

>

> 8

>

> Août

>

> 11

>

> Septembre

>

> 3

>

> Octobre

>

> 4

>

> Novembre

>

> 11

>

> December

>

> 18

>

> *2020*

>

> Janvier

>

> 1

>

> Février

>

> 13

>

> Mars

>

> 7

>

> Avril

>

> 2

>

> Mai

>

> 5

>

> Juin

>

> 9

>

> Juillet

>

> 177

>

> Août 13 12:50 UTC

>

> 27

>

> *Nombre d'abonnements actuels*

>

> *986*

>

>

>

>

>

> Sur cette note, AFRINIC encourage le PDWG à accroître son engagement dans

> le processus d'élaboration des politiques à travers leur participation

> active, substantielle et constructive dans l'élaboration des politiques de

> ressources qui contribueront à aider AFRINIC dans sa mission de gestion des

> ressources numériques Internet pour la région africaine.

>

>

>

> En outre, AFRINIC voudrait saisir cette occasion pour renouveler son

> invitation à la réunion de l'AIS'20 et recommander que la communauté suive

> toutes les procédures mises en place pour leur inscription en ligne à cet

> égard.

>

>

>

> Eddy Kayihura

>

> CEO

>

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