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[rpd] Policy Development Process and Elections
Dewole Ajao
dewole at forum.org.ng
Sat Aug 15 15:53:37 UTC 2020
Ah, I see now. Been offline for a bit and only read the last
announcement. Didn't realize the election guidelines already cut off the
funny subscriptions - a very responsible thing to do. My
misinterpretation stemming from the fact that I assumed PDWG
participation in that context (paragraph g) was inclusive of the elections.
To be clear - whether organized by the board, by members, or by the
greater Internet community, those anomalous registrations should not be
permitted. I don't think there was any hot topic under discussion at
that time which could give an alternative theory to explain the spike.
Regards,
Dewole.
On 8/15/2020 2:10 PM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
>
> Hi Dewole,
>
> Maybe you’re right, but I’m reading this email together with the
> previous one and all the context.
>
> And in that scope, (g) talks about participating in the PDP not in the
> elections.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jordi
>
> @jordipalet
>
> El 15/8/20 15:03, "Dewole Ajao" <dewole at forum.org.ng
> <mailto:dewole at forum.org.ng>> escribió:
>
> Looks like you misinterpreted paragraph "g", Jordi.
>
> (g) .... AFRINIC undertakes to preserve this right so that *no one
> who has recently subscribed* to the rpd mail list *will be debarred
> and/or ‘disenfranchised’ *from participating in the Policy Development
> Process.
>
> I interpreted it to mean: EVERYONE who has recently subscribed to the
> rpd will be allowed to participate in the elections.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dewole.
>
> On 8/15/2020 1:24 PM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:
>
> Hi Noah,
>
> The ICP-2 is very clear on this and we all, should know it very
> well. It is a very well understood concept in all the RIRs. In
> fact, the message from Eddy recognized that as well.
>
> The PDP is the **global community**, while the board is only a
> representation of a small subset of the community: the members of
> only AFRINIC region.
>
> I guess the bylaws were created before the constitution of
> AFRINIC, or in the very early stage. I don’t know if there is a
> document that shows all the history of this document and all the
> modifications (if any) that have been done since them.
>
> The board is **only** able to setup rules for the membership.
>
> The PDP has a “higher” scope: as it sets rules for all.
>
> When you say “The volunteers at the board are given the mandate by
> the community. The community includes number resources members who
> form part of the community.”, is wrong in the first sentence “the
> volunteers at the board are given the mandate by the membership”
> and the membership is only responsible for membership issues.
> That’s why is totally wrong to have in the bylaws (which are for
> membership), text impossing rules to the community (which should
> be at the PDP).
>
> Following with your next paragraph, the bylaws are wrong. There is
> NO WAY, the bylaws can enforce what the community (PDP) want to
> do. The bylaws can only enforce the membership.
>
> And yes, the board can be wrong, and it is perfectly fine, and I’m
> convinced they always act in good faith and try to do what they
> believe is best for membership, but this is not neccesarily
> correct or the best for the community. Exactly the same like a
> partliament in a country, which represents the citizens, can be
> wrong, and that’s why, courts, could decide that something that
> the parliament has decided, need to be amended.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jordi
>
> @jordipalet
>
> El 15/8/20 14:04, "Noah" <noah at neo.co.tz <mailto:noah at neo.co.tz>>
> escribió:
>
> Hi Jordi
>
> The volunteers at the board are given the mandate by the
> community. The community includes number resources members who
> form part of the community.
>
> And when you say the volunteers at the board are wrong, and the
> bylaws are wrong, do you mean the community is wrong?
>
> Noah
>
> On Sat, 15 Aug 2020, 08:06 JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD,
> <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>> wrote:
>
> Hi Eddy, all,
>
> While I fully agree that it is perfectly appropriate for the
> Board to decide on the way co-chairs elections are done and
> even more in this exceptional situation, I think there are
> some broken statements in this email.
>
> AFRINIC bylaws, in my opinion, are in trouble and against
> ICANN ICP-2, because are contradicting the consensus and
> bottom-up approach of the PDP and consequently the co-chairs
> elections. I will urge to update them.
>
> As a matter of fact, the articles in section 11 related to the
> PDP don’t exist in any other RIR (I’ve read all them again a
> few minutes ago, just in case I was missing anything), neiher
> anything similar. Unfortunatelly I only realized this a couple
> of days ago, when I was preparing a policy proposal that is
> not yet published.
>
> Note, and this is not your fault, but from previous boards,
> that the board has decided on changes and restrictions to the
> PDP and contravenued the bylaws, because the board never
> brought those “policies” or “procedures” to the PDP to be
> endorsed (by consensus) by the community. Wait for my last
> proposal to be published for more details.
>
> Let me clarify, below in-line each of the points.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jordi
>
> @jordipalet
>
> El 14/8/20 14:49, "AFRINIC Communication" <comms at afrinic.net
> <mailto:comms at afrinic.net>> escribió:
>
> [Version en français ci-dessous]
>
> Dear colleagues,
>
> Further to its communique issued on 5 August 2020, AFRINIC
> wishes to inform its community that following its announcement
> regarding the holding of the Policy Development Working
> Group (“PDWG”) Co-Chair and NRO ASO-AC elections for the year
> 2020, it has considered all responses obtained in respect thereof.
>
> Consequently, AFRINIC considers it appropriate to clarify, for
> the benefits of its community, the following:
>
> (a) That the Public Policy Meeting (“PPM”) is convened by
> the AFRINIC Board of Directors pursuant to the provisions of
> articles 11.2 and 11.3 of the Bylaws;
>
> [Jordi] This is wrong, and should be corrected. A RIR is only
> assisting the community in terms of PDP. It is up to the
> community to decide how this is done and what the community
> wants to be done by the RIR. The community can agree that the
> elections are handled by the AFRINIC board and that the board
> can delegate into a committee. That’s fine and I think is the
> correct way, but can’t be imposed to the community. Those
> articles should NOT be there. They don’t exist in any other
> RIR. It is a big mistake. I also fully support, that the PDP
> **must have** some special provisions to give the board some
> powers on:
>
> 1.Call for the PDP meetings.
>
> 2.Assist/manage the co-chair elections by means of the PDP
> decided procedure. If there is not a procedure, this is the
> community fault and thus the board should be able to decide
> how to do it.
>
> 3.Allow an appeal process (by the board or delegated into a
> committee), but following the PDP, not restricting it.
>
> 4.Ratify policies. Only policies that will clearly damage the
> RIR membership can’t be ratified and should be returned to the
> PDP for further discussion.
>
> 5.In emergency situations, adopt a policy **regarding the
> management of resources** (not the PDP), **which must be
> brought to the PDP back for the community
> consensus/endorsement** otherwise must be stopped.
>
> [Jordi] In addition to that, the bylaws are discriminatory and
> CLEARLY against the ICP-2 and this is a **BIG** irregularity
> and breach of the ICANN empowerment assigned to AFRINIC. THIS
> MUST BE RESOLVED IMMEDIATELY. The section 3 of ICP-2 is clear
> in many paragraphs in regards to the bottom-up self-governance
> for setting local policies “accessible to all interested
> parties”. The bylaws, clearly contradict the PDP, and that
> should **not** happen.
>
>
> (b) That in regard to the election of the PDWG Co-Chair and
> notwithstanding the fact same is held during the PPM, section
> 3.1 of the Consolidated Policy Manual (“CPM”) clearly and
> in no uncertain terms provides as follows: - “Internet
> number resource policies are distinctly separate from AFRINIC
> general business practices and procedures. General business
> practices and procedures are not within the purview of
> the Policy Development Process.
>
> [Jordi] And that clearly means that the PDP, neither the
> bylaws have authorized the board to take over the elections.
> The elections of the co-chairs, as the co-chairs itself, are
> part of the PDP. Again, I agree that meanwhile we don’t have
> in the PDP an explicit procedure, it is just fine to allow the
> board to assist on that and manage the elections. BUT this
> should be corrected ASAP by the community.
>
>
> (c) That in light of para (b) above, the election process
> applicable to the PDWG Co-Chair election does not form an
> integral part of the CPM and is thus a matter for the Board of
> Directors to determine;
>
> [Jordi] I disagree. The chair position is a mandate of the
> PDP. Just look into other RIRs. Is the community the one that
> manages that. The board of each RIR is just delegated by the
> PDP to do that, as an oversight. And still note that I’m
> supporting, at the time being, the board decision on the way
> to do the next elections, but that’s different than confirming
> that this is a business of the board **unless** that task is
> delegated by the community to the board.
>
>
> (d) That, consistent with the above and having considered the
> exceptional context of the COVID-19 pandemic, the Board
> of Directors recently resolved, inter-alia, that the
> forthcoming PPM will be held virtually and has even caused an
> Election Process 2020 to be published applicable to all
> elections to be held during the year 2020;
>
> (e) That in so far as the role of the PDWG is concerned, the
> core responsibility of the latter is to discuss
> policy proposals via the Internet (mailing list) or in person
> (during face-to-face PPM). Hence, since time restrictions
> are prevalent for the policy discussions during the PPM, rough
> consensus of policy proposals is determined during the PPM by
> considering both online and on-site contributions. Final
> consensus is decided upon after consideration of the
> discussions in the Last Call period;
>
> [Jordi] Fully agree here on the matter of time. It is
> ridiculous the time that was spent in the PPMs in previous
> meetings for elections. They should be from now on, regardless
> of the pandemic, electronic and open to non-on-site
> participants. HOWEVER, according to the actual PDP the
> consensus is determined only, according to the actual PDP
> “during the PPM”, and that’s why I’ve proposed a PDP change so
> it is explicitly clear that also the discussion on the list
> must be considered for the consensus.
>
>
> (f) That the right attributed to its community to contribute
> to policy discussions by either subscribing to the rpd mailing
> list or participating in the discussions in the upcoming PPM
> by registering for and attending the online meeting is
> sacrosanct and AFRINIC hereby renews its commitment that it
> will continue to give full effect to the principles of Policy
> Development as stipulated in section 3.2 of the CPM;
>
> (g) That, for the purposes of para (e) above, subscription
> to the AFRINIC rpd mailing list is considered as a step
> towards participation in the PDWG and AFRINIC undertakes to
> preserve this right so that no one who has recently subscribed
> to the rpd mail list will be debarred and/or ‘disenfranchised’
> from participating in the Policy Development Process.
>
> (h) For purposes of clarity, below are subscription numbers
> from January 2019 to 13 August 2020.
>
> *2019*
>
>
>
> *Number*
>
> January
>
>
>
> 3
>
> February
>
>
>
> 8
>
> March
>
>
>
> 3
>
> April
>
>
>
> 9
>
> May
>
>
>
> 30
>
> June
>
>
>
> 53
>
> July
>
>
>
> 8
>
> August
>
>
>
> 11
>
> September
>
>
>
> 3
>
> October
>
>
>
> 4
>
> November
>
>
>
> 11
>
> December
>
>
>
> 18
>
>
>
>
> *2020*
>
>
>
> January
>
>
>
> 1
>
> February
>
>
>
> 13
>
> March
>
>
>
> 7
>
> April
>
>
>
> 2
>
> May
>
>
>
> 5
>
> June
>
>
>
> 9
>
> July
>
>
>
> 177
>
> August 13th 12:50 UTC
>
>
>
> 27
>
> *Current number of list subscribers*
>
>
>
> *986*
>
> [Jordi] I think it is obviously suspicious that suddenly there
> is such big increase in the registration on the RPD once it is
> announced that there may be a need to do online elections, and
> considering that at that time there was not any open
> discussion on policy proposals or new versions of existing
> ones. So, once more, I support the board decision on the
> procedure for the electronic elections and limiting the
> participation for those that are registered several months
> up-front them.
>
> On this note, AFRINIC encourages the PDWG to increase its
> engagement in the Policy Development Process through their
> active, substantial and constructive participation in
> developing resource policies that will help AFRINIC in its
> mission of managing Internet Number Resources for the
> African region.
>
> Furthermore, AFRINIC would like to take this opportunity
> to renew its invitation to the AIS’20 meeting and recommend
> that the community follows all procedures put in place for
> their online registration in respect thereof.
>
>
>
> Eddy Kayihura
>
> CEO
>
> ……………………
>
> Chers collègues,
>
> Suite à son communiqué publié le 5 août 2020, l'AFRINIC
> souhaite informer sa communauté que suite à son annonce
> concernant la tenue des élections du co-président du groupe de
> travail sur l'élaboration des politiques ("PDWG") et de
> l'ASO-AC du NRO pour l'année 2020, elle a examiné toutes les
> réponses obtenues à cet égard.
>
> En conséquence, AFRINIC considère qu'il convient de clarifier,
> pour le bénéfice de sa communauté, ce qui suit :
>
> (a) Que la réunion de politique publique ("PPM") est convoquée
> par le Conseil d'administration de l'AFRINIC conformément aux
> dispositions des articles 11.2 et 11.3 des statuts ;
>
> (b) En ce qui concerne l'élection du co-président du PDWG, et
> bien qu'elle ait lieu pendant la Réunion de politique
> publique, la section 3.1 du Consolidated Policy Manual ("CPM")
> prévoit clairement et sans ambiguïté ce qui suit : - "Les
> politiques en matière de ressources de numéros Internet se
> distinguent clairement des pratiques opérationnelles et des
> procédures générales d'AFRINIC, qui ne sont pas du resort du
> processus d'élaboration des politiques''.
>
> c) Qu'à la lumière du paragraphe b) ci-dessus, le processus
> d'élection applicable à l'élection du coprésident du PDWG ne
> fait pas partie intégrante du CPM et donc est du ressort du
> conseil d'administration ;
>
> (d) Que, conformément à ce qui précède et après avoir pris en
> compte le contexte exceptionnel de la pandémie COVID-19, le
> Conseil d'administration a récemment décidé, entre autres, que
> la prochaine réunion de politiques publiques se tiendra
> virtuellement et a même fait publier un processus pour les
> élections pour l'année 2020 applicable à toutes les élections
> devant se tenir en 2020 ;
>
> e) Que, en ce qui concerne le rôle du PDWG, la responsabilité
> principale de ce dernier est de discuter des propositions
> politiques via Internet (liste de diffusion) ou en personne
> (lors de la réunion en face-à-face). Par conséquent, étant
> donné que le temps imparti aux discussions politiques pendant
> la réunion est limité, un consensus approximatif sur les
> propositions politiques sera déterminé pendant la réunion en
> tenant compte des contributions en ligne et sur place. Le
> consensus final sera décidé après examen des discussions
> durant la période du dernier appel ;
>
> (f) que le droit attribué à sa communauté de contribuer aux
> discussions politiques, soit en s'inscrivant à la liste de
> diffusion rpd, soit en participant aux discussions de la
> prochaine Réunion de politiques publiques en s'inscrivant et
> en assistant à la réunion en ligne est sacro-saint et que
> l'AFRINIC renouvelle par la présente son engagement à
> continuer à donner plein effet aux principes d'élaboration des
> politiques comme stipulé dans la section 3.2 de la CPM ;
>
> (g) Que, aux fins du paragraphe (e) ci-dessus, l'inscription à
> la liste de diffusion rpd d'AFRINIC est considérée comme une
> étape vers la participation au PDWG et AFRINIC s'engage à
> préserver ce droit afin qu'aucune personne qui s'est récemment
> inscrite à la liste de diffusion rpd ne soit exclue et/ou
> "privée" de sa participation au processus d'élaboration des
> politiques.
>
> (h) Par souci de clarté, voici le nombre d'abonnement de
> janvier 2019 au 13 août 2020.
>
> *2019*
>
>
>
> *Nombres*
>
> Janvier
>
>
>
> 3
>
> Février
>
>
>
> 8
>
> Mars
>
>
>
> 3
>
> Avril
>
>
>
> 9
>
> Mai
>
>
>
> 30
>
> Juin
>
>
>
> 53
>
> Juillet
>
>
>
> 8
>
> Août
>
>
>
> 11
>
> Septembre
>
>
>
> 3
>
> Octobre
>
>
>
> 4
>
> Novembre
>
>
>
> 11
>
> December
>
>
>
> 18
>
>
>
>
> *2020*
>
>
>
> Janvier
>
>
>
> 1
>
> Février
>
>
>
> 13
>
> Mars
>
>
>
> 7
>
> Avril
>
>
>
> 2
>
> Mai
>
>
>
> 5
>
> Juin
>
>
>
> 9
>
> Juillet
>
>
>
> 177
>
> Août 13 12:50 UTC
>
>
>
> 27
>
> *Nombre d'abonnements actuels*
>
>
>
> *986*
>
> Sur cette note, AFRINIC encourage le PDWG à accroître son
> engagement dans le processus d'élaboration des politiques à
> travers leur participation active, substantielle et
> constructive dans l'élaboration des politiques de ressources
> qui contribueront à aider AFRINIC dans sa mission de gestion
> des ressources numériques Internet pour la région africaine.
>
> En outre, AFRINIC voudrait saisir cette occasion pour
> renouveler son invitation à la réunion de l'AIS'20 et
> recommander que la communauté suive toutes les procédures
> mises en place pour leur inscription en ligne à cet égard.
>
> Eddy Kayihura
>
> CEO
>
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