[rpd] Policy Development Process and Elections

[Fernando Frediani]

On 14/08/2020 18:37, Benjamin Investor wrote:

> <clip>

>  I believe the community needs to find a permanent solution if we have 

> a problem, but my humble question to you and the board is that the 

> people that have joined the mailing list in the last six month are 

> they not stakeholders in this community? Even if they have joined to 

> vote as you and the board are suggesting are they still not 

> stakeholders. And according to the rpm "anyone" can contribute and at 

> any time. What makes the person who joined 6 years ago more and has 

> never said a word more qualified than the person who joined 6 days 

> ago? Yes, I think there is a problem there but it is not for you or 

> the board to solve this problem as rightly mentioned by Jordi.  What 

> problem are you trying to solve with the 6 months and other rules set? 

> During the next election, next year are we going to have an 18 months 

> rule?. who says that we would be able to have a face to face meeting 

> next year even if we have a face to face meeting how do we prevent 

> hairdressers from coming in to vote? Or are we going to be changing 

> the process all the time? is that a fair way of dealing with the 

> issue.  Let us be realistic here. is your intention genuine or are we 

> acting a script? Yes, Jordi has a policy proposal but what assurance 

> do we have that the proposal would pass and be implemented before next 

> year.  As far as I am concerned, we need to follow the rules in 

> whatever we do fI not we have giving room for anarchy. The rule you 

> are trying here is divisive and as seen it was rejected by a sizable 

> number of people even thou it might be questionable but we say 

> responses  If we agree to use this rule this time what stops the board 

> from interfering in future elections. We are not looking at the future 

> implication we are only trying to solve a short term problem and 

> leaving behind a long term problem. The problem at hand must be solved 

> by the community using the laid down process and not imposed by the 

> CEO or the board.

Not all that joined should necessarily be considered stakeholders. This 
is crystal clear and there must be something that guarantee that only 
those who are really involved are the ones able to participate on the 
decision. Having something like what happened in Kampala is not 
something to the whole community.

If you let ad hoc people to participate on the decision the same way 
others who invest efforts and time to work towards something important 
and to make the things work in a proper way you discourage all those who 
are willing to get things done in a proper way. It is unfair to them 
that just right before the election random people join. Simply it 
stimulates fraud and chaos !

Check out the number of people who joined last July compared to all 
other months. Does anyone really believe this is just normal interested 
people willing to participate long term and that most of them not just 
joined to be able to influence on the coming election process ?


>

> The community is matured enough to deal with this issue and there is 

> what we call expedited PDP process that is allowed in case we have 

> this type of difficulty.  The co-chair is just a guide for the PDP 

> process and the process is dictated by the community so why making a 

> fuss out of nothing?


I don't agree there has been enough maturity to deal with the issue so 
far. Look where we got to. That sounds more like a desire than the reality.

Fernando


>

>

> On Fri, Aug 14, 2020, 1:43 PM AFRINIC Communication <comms at afrinic.net 

> <mailto:comms at afrinic.net>> wrote:

>

>     [Version en français ci-dessous]

>

>     Dear colleagues,

>

>     Further to its communique issued on 5 August 2020, AFRINIC wishes

>     to inform its community that following its announcement regarding

>     the holding of the Policy Development Working

>     Group (“PDWG”) Co-Chair and NRO ASO-AC elections for the year

>     2020, it has considered all responses obtained in respect thereof.

>

>     Consequently, AFRINIC considers it appropriate to clarify, for the

>     benefits of its community, the following:

>

>     (a)   That the Public Policy Meeting (“PPM”) is convened by the

>     AFRINIC Board of Directors pursuant to the provisions of articles

>     11.2 and 11.3 of the Bylaws;

>

>     (b)  That in regard to the election of the PDWG Co-Chair and

>     notwithstanding the fact same is held during the PPM, section 3.1

>     of the Consolidated Policy Manual (“CPM”) clearly and in no

>     uncertain terms provides as follows: - “Internet number resource

>     policies are distinctly separate from AFRINIC general business

>     practices and procedures. General business practices and

>     procedures are not within the purview of the Policy Development

>     Process.

>

>     (c)   That in light of para (b) above, the election process

>     applicable to the PDWG Co-Chair election does not form an integral

>     part of the CPM and is thus a matter for the Board of Directors to

>     determine;

>

>     (d)  That, consistent with the above and having considered the

>     exceptional context of the COVID-19 pandemic, the Board

>     of Directors recently resolved, inter-alia, that the forthcoming

>     PPM will be held virtually and has even caused an Election Process

>     2020 to be published applicable to all elections to be held during

>     the year 2020;

>

>     (e)   That in so far as the role of the PDWG is concerned, the

>     core responsibility of the latter is to discuss policy proposals

>     via the Internet (mailing list) or in person (during

>     face-to-face PPM). Hence, since time restrictions are prevalent

>     for the policy discussions during the PPM, rough consensus of

>     policy proposals is determined during the PPM by considering both

>     online and on-site contributions. Final consensus is decided upon

>     after consideration of the discussions in the Last Call period;

>

>     (f)   That the right attributed to its community to contribute

>     to policy discussions by either subscribing to the rpd mailing

>     list or participating in the discussions in the upcoming PPM by

>     registering for and attending the online meeting is sacrosanct

>     and AFRINIC hereby renews its commitment that it will continue to

>     give full effect to the principles of Policy Development

>     as stipulated in section 3.2 of the CPM;

>

>     (g)   That, for the purposes of para (e) above, subscription to

>     the AFRINIC rpd mailing list is considered as a step towards

>     participation in the PDWG and AFRINIC undertakes to preserve this

>     right so that no one who has recently subscribed to the rpd mail

>     list will be debarred and/or ‘disenfranchised’ from

>     participating in the Policy Development Process.

>

>     (h)  For purposes of clarity, below are subscription numbers from

>     January 2019 to 13 August 2020.

>

>

>     *2019*

>

>     	

>

>     *Number*

>

>     January

>

>     	

>

>     3

>

>     February

>

>     	

>

>     8

>

>     March

>

>     	

>

>     3

>

>     April

>

>     	

>

>     9

>

>     May

>

>     	

>

>     30

>

>     June

>

>     	

>

>     53

>

>     July

>

>     	

>

>     8

>

>     August

>

>     	

>

>     11

>

>     September

>

>     	

>

>     3

>

>     October

>

>     	

>

>     4

>

>     November

>

>     	

>

>     11

>

>     December

>

>     	

>

>     18

>

>

>     	

>

>     *2020*

>

>     	

>

>     January

>

>     	

>

>     1

>

>     February

>

>     	

>

>     13

>

>     March

>

>     	

>

>     7

>

>     April

>

>     	

>

>     2

>

>     May

>

>     	

>

>     5

>

>     June

>

>     	

>

>     9

>

>     July

>

>     	

>

>     177

>

>     August 13th 12:50 UTC

>

>     	

>

>     27

>

>     *Current number of list subscribers*

>

>     	

>

>     *986*

>

>

>     On this note, AFRINIC encourages the PDWG to increase its

>     engagement in the Policy Development Process through their active,

>     substantial and constructive participation in developing resource

>     policies that will help AFRINIC in its mission of

>     managing Internet Number Resources for the African region.

>

>     Furthermore, AFRINIC would like to take this opportunity to renew

>     its invitation to the AIS’20 meeting and recommend that the

>     community follows all procedures put in place for their online

>     registration in respect thereof.

>

>

>

>     Eddy Kayihura

>

>     CEO

>

>     ……………………

>

>

>     Chers collègues,

>

>     Suite à son communiqué publié le 5 août 2020, l'AFRINIC souhaite

>     informer sa communauté que suite à son annonce concernant la tenue

>     des élections du co-président du groupe de travail sur

>     l'élaboration des politiques ("PDWG") et de l'ASO-AC du NRO pour

>     l'année 2020, elle a examiné toutes les réponses obtenues à cet égard.

>

>     En conséquence, AFRINIC considère qu'il convient de clarifier,

>     pour le bénéfice de sa communauté, ce qui suit :

>

>     (a) Que la réunion de politique publique ("PPM") est convoquée par

>     le Conseil d'administration de l'AFRINIC conformément aux

>     dispositions des articles 11.2 et 11.3 des statuts ;

>

>     (b) En ce qui concerne l'élection du co-président du PDWG, et bien

>     qu'elle ait lieu pendant la Réunion de politique publique, la

>     section 3.1 du Consolidated Policy Manual ("CPM") prévoit

>     clairement et sans ambiguïté ce qui suit : - "Les politiques en

>     matière de ressources de numéros Internet se distinguent

>     clairement des pratiques opérationnelles et des procédures

>     générales d'AFRINIC, qui ne sont pas du resort du processus

>     d'élaboration des politiques''.

>

>     c) Qu'à la lumière du paragraphe b) ci-dessus, le processus

>     d'élection applicable à l'élection du coprésident du PDWG ne fait

>     pas partie intégrante du CPM et donc est du ressort du conseil

>     d'administration ;

>

>     (d) Que, conformément à ce qui précède et après avoir pris en

>     compte le contexte exceptionnel de la pandémie COVID-19, le

>     Conseil d'administration a récemment décidé, entre autres, que la

>     prochaine réunion de politiques publiques se tiendra virtuellement

>     et a même fait publier un processus pour les élections pour

>     l'année 2020 applicable à toutes les élections devant se tenir en

>     2020 ;

>

>     e) Que, en ce qui concerne le rôle du PDWG, la responsabilité

>     principale de ce dernier est de discuter des propositions

>     politiques via Internet (liste de diffusion) ou en personne (lors

>     de la réunion en face-à-face). Par conséquent, étant donné que le

>     temps imparti aux discussions politiques pendant la réunion est

>     limité, un consensus approximatif sur les propositions politiques

>     sera déterminé pendant la réunion en tenant compte des

>     contributions en ligne et sur place. Le consensus final sera

>     décidé après examen des discussions durant la période du dernier

>     appel ;

>

>     (f) que le droit attribué à sa communauté de contribuer aux

>     discussions politiques, soit en s'inscrivant à la liste de

>     diffusion rpd, soit en participant aux discussions de la prochaine

>     Réunion de politiques publiques en s'inscrivant et en assistant à

>     la réunion en ligne est sacro-saint et que l'AFRINIC renouvelle

>     par la présente son engagement à continuer à donner plein effet

>     aux principes d'élaboration des politiques comme stipulé dans la

>     section 3.2 de la CPM ;

>

>     (g) Que, aux fins du paragraphe (e) ci-dessus, l'inscription à la

>     liste de diffusion rpd d'AFRINIC est considérée comme une étape

>     vers la participation au PDWG et AFRINIC s'engage à préserver ce

>     droit afin qu'aucune personne qui s'est récemment inscrite à la

>     liste de diffusion rpd ne soit exclue et/ou "privée" de sa

>     participation au processus d'élaboration des politiques.

>

>     (h) Par souci de clarté, voici le nombre d'abonnement de janvier

>     2019 au 13 août 2020.

>

>

>     *2019*

>

>     	

>

>     *Nombres*

>

>     Janvier

>

>     	

>

>     3

>

>     Février

>

>     	

>

>     8

>

>     Mars

>

>     	

>

>     3

>

>     Avril

>

>     	

>

>     9

>

>     Mai

>

>     	

>

>     30

>

>     Juin

>

>     	

>

>     53

>

>     Juillet

>

>     	

>

>     8

>

>     Août

>

>     	

>

>     11

>

>     Septembre

>

>     	

>

>     3

>

>     Octobre

>

>     	

>

>     4

>

>     Novembre

>

>     	

>

>     11

>

>     December

>

>     	

>

>     18

>

>

>     	

>

>     *2020*

>

>     	

>

>     Janvier

>

>     	

>

>     1

>

>     Février

>

>     	

>

>     13

>

>     Mars

>

>     	

>

>     7

>

>     Avril

>

>     	

>

>     2

>

>     Mai

>

>     	

>

>     5

>

>     Juin

>

>     	

>

>     9

>

>     Juillet

>

>     	

>

>     177

>

>     Août 13 12:50 UTC

>

>     	

>

>     27

>

>     *Nombre d'abonnements actuels*

>

>     	

>

>     *986*

>

>     *

>     *

>

>

>

>     Sur cette note, AFRINIC encourage le PDWG à accroître son

>     engagement dans le processus d'élaboration des politiques à

>     travers leur participation active, substantielle et constructive

>     dans l'élaboration des politiques de ressources qui contribueront

>     à aider AFRINIC dans sa mission de gestion des ressources

>     numériques Internet pour la région africaine.

>

>     En outre, AFRINIC voudrait saisir cette occasion pour renouveler

>     son invitation à la réunion de l'AIS'20 et recommander que la

>     communauté suive toutes les procédures mises en place pour leur

>     inscription en ligne à cet égard.

>

>     Eddy Kayihura

>

>     CEO

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