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[rpd] Co-Chair Election Proces

Anthony Ubah ubah.tonyiyke at gmail.com
Sat Jul 18 09:23:13 UTC 2020



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> Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 09:51:54 +0100

> From: Anthony Ubah <ubah.tonyiyke at gmail.com>

> To: rpd at afrinic.net

> Subject: [rpd] Co-Chair Election Process

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> Hi Owen,

>

> Yes indeed this is an opportunity to adopt something good and trendy.

> But...

>

> @Jordi

>

> I have no shred of doubt in my mind that we can do it. We as Africans are

> accustomed to bad electoral processes, thus if demanding a good and

> dependable solution is being pessimistic, then it must be an African

> tradition.

>

> On face value we all agree that there are adequate, cost effective, and

> simple solutions and technologies to run an online election process. A

> reality check is, in this clime, even the United States of America, which

> is a country with one of the most complete resident profile and

> documentation are still exhibiting cold feet about a full-fledged online

> electoral system. Why? Because of voter confidence is such a system.

> Yes an election like AfriNIC community's is a little one, but it is not a

> isolated case. The community's confidence in a none full proof system will

> be brought into question if implemented in short notice. That is my

> concern.

>

> Salut Kangamutima!

>

> J'ai identifi? les obstacles que je vois et je n'essaie de divertir

> personne avec le sc?nario de l'impossibilit?. Apr?s AIS'19, j'ai soutenu

> une d?cision pour ce syst?me de vote. J'ai simplement dit qu'il fallait

> d'abord identifier les pr?requis pour garantir une solution vraiment

> efficace. Je ne vois pas ce qui ne va pas avec ?a. Pouvez-vous me dire quel

> calendrier avons-nous pour cette livraison?

>

>

>

> Kind regards,

>

> Ant'

>

>

> On Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 5:01 AM <rpd-request at afrinic.net> wrote:

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> > 1. Re: Co-Chair Election Process (Owen DeLong)

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> > Message: 1

> > Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 21:01:42 -0700

> > From: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com>

> > To: Kangamutima zabika Christophe <funga.roho at yandex.com>

> > Cc: "rpd at afrinic.net" <rpd at afrinic.net>

> > Subject: Re: [rpd] Co-Chair Election Process

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> >

> > Jordi,

> >

> > The closest English translation is ?Necessity is the mother of

> invention??

> > It means ?that which is needed will eventually be invented.?

> >

> > Another close corollary is ?Problem is just another word for

> Opportunity?.

> >

> > Owen

> >

> >

> > > On Jul 17, 2020, at 8:51 PM, Kangamutima zabika Christophe <

> > funga.roho at yandex.com> wrote:

> > >

> > > +1 Jordi

> > >

> > > Je soutien parfaitement ta fa?on de voir les choses. Nous devrions

> > plutot recenser tous les obstacles tout en examinant les solutions

> > plausibles au lieu de nous enteter dans le sc?nario de l'impossibilit?.

> > >

> > > KANGAMUTIMA

> > >

> > > 17.07.2020, 22:41, "JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD" <rpd at afrinic.net>:

> > > Hi Anthony,

> > >

> > > It looks very strange to me that people from Africa itself is the most

> > pessimistic about ?we can?t do this? and all kind of objections, while

> the

> > rest of the world did that. Is like you don?t trust yourself.

> > >

> > > There is no need to do it ?absolutely? on-line in the second or even

> > minute. For an election, you can open a time frame for 7 days before the

> > deadline, or during the full on-line event, or something similar.

> > >

> > > There are tons of solutions to all the possible issues that you and

> > others are exposing.

> > >

> > > I always say ?querer es poder?, which I?m not sure if it can be

> > directly translated to English as ?wanting to do something is being able

> to

> > do it?.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Jordi

> > >

> > > @jordipalet

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > El 17/7/20 20:48, "Anthony Ubah" <ubah.tonyiyke at gmail.com <mailto:

> > ubah.tonyiyke at gmail.com>> escribi?:

> > >

> > > Hello,

> > > It will be extremely difficult to run an online election in such small

> > notice without flaws.

> > >

> > > The idea of hand-raising looks interesting, but as Owen highlighted,

> > there is the possibility of an individual sitting behind multiple

> > terminals, across multiple VPNs, or on VMs raising hands. There is also

> no

> > limit to the number of email accounts one can register in the RPD.

> > >

> > > Also, internet speeds in different parts of the continent can not

> > guarantee real-time participation to the voting process. Poorly timed

> > voting can impact election results.

> > >

> > > An online voting system can only be credible if every member of the

> > community is assigned a unique ID, and if there is a policy guiding the

> > accreditation of voters. These are not obtainable at the moment.

> > >

> > > Thus forcing an e-voting process will be a recipe for chaos and

> disaster.

> > >

> > > I think the current co-chairs should be made to stay on, until the next

> > window.

> > >

> > >

> > > Kind regards,

> > >

> > > Anthony

> > >

> > >

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> > > 1. Re: Co-Chair Election Process (Owen DeLong)

> > > 2. Re: Co-Chair Election Process (Owen DeLong)

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> > > Message: 1

> > > Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 09:28:46 -0700

> > > From: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com <mailto:owen at delong.com>>

> > > To: Murungi Daniel <dmurungi at wia.co.tz <mailto:dmurungi at wia.co.tz>>

> > > Cc: "rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy" <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:

> > rpd at afrinic.net>>

> > > Subject: Re: [rpd] Co-Chair Election Process

> > > Message-ID: <BC6A53D4-B610-4D3D-AE0F-2FEB70DF2B05 at delong.com <mailto:

> > BC6A53D4-B610-4D3D-AE0F-2FEB70DF2B05 at delong.com>>

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> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > On Jul 16, 2020, at 06:10 , Murungi Daniel <dmurungi at wia.co.tz

> > <mailto:dmurungi at wia.co.tz>> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear all,

> > > >

> > > > Am of the view that we should proceed with the election. The current

> > environment (inability to vote in person or via show of hands) provides

> us

> > with an opportunity to come up with alternative mechanisms which can be

> > tested and modified accordingly.

> > > >

> > > > If we are faced with another scenario such as this in the future, we

> > won?t have to go back to the drawing board.

> > > >

> > > > Regarding the ?sleeper cells? effect (aptly named by Sami :) ), the

> > suggestion of a minimum number of posts should suffice. We should also

> > follow up on the suggestion of always using email IDs associated with the

> > member's organization as mentioned in previous posts (we could discuss

> this

> > plus other alternatives on a separate thread).

> > >

> > > Every regions PDP is open to any interested participant, not merely

> > resource holders or members.

> > >

> > > As such, I?m not sure how demanding the use of email IDs associated

> with

> > a member?s organization could possibly be valid.

> > >

> > > Owen

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------

> > >

> > > Message: 2

> > > Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 09:34:18 -0700

> > > From: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com <mailto:owen at delong.com>>

> > > To: Daniel Yakmut <yakmutd at googlemail.com <mailto:

> yakmutd at googlemail.com

> > >>

> > > Cc: "rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy" <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:

> > rpd at afrinic.net>>

> > > Subject: Re: [rpd] Co-Chair Election Process

> > > Message-ID: <3431CFDD-BD7B-4B0F-865D-64E95720DF61 at delong.com <mailto:

> > 3431CFDD-BD7B-4B0F-865D-64E95720DF61 at delong.com>>

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> > >

> > > I am not opposed to tenure extension until we can come to an agreed

> > process.

> > >

> > > However, I think that if we use the raised-hand capability of the

> > conferencing system chosen (Zoom, WebEx, Adobe all have this feature), I

> > think we have a reasonable approximation of the same situation as the

> > in-person meeting.

> > >

> > > I?m not aware of any Bots that have mastered joining a remote meeting

> > and engaging in a show of hands at the appropriate time when a question

> is

> > called by voice. That would, indeed, be one heck of a sophisticated bot.

> > >

> > > There is, of course, the risk of someone sitting at multiple machines

> > logged into the conference multiple times under different identities, but

> > that can be solved by limiting the participation to RPD list subscribers

> > where each subscribed email is able to get exactly one session.

> > >

> > > We could even base it on a cutoff of emails registered on the list

> prior

> > to some date certain, perhaps even the original AIS start date.

> > >

> > > Owen

> > >

> > >

> > > > On Jul 16, 2020, at 06:57 , Daniel Yakmut via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net

> > <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear All,

> > > > How do we generate a voters register? How do we verify that the

> voters

> > are humans not robots?

> > > >

> > > > Let us remember, there are people who will never participate in

> > exchanges on the rpd, but when it comes to voting they will vote, because

> > they have been passive observers. So tying any condition like no. of

> posts

> > is an exclusion agenda.

> > > >

> > > > It is an attempt by the vocal minority to suppress the silent

> > majority, and this is a recipe for commotion.

> > > >

> > > > That is why I posit that, agreeing to terms and conditions for

> > e-voting in a polarise environment will take time, intense discussions,

> > confidence building and trust. This I am not sure we can achieve before

> > September.

> > > >

> > > > Hence, the tenure extension will allow us resolve all issues. I think

> > e-voting is inevitable in the foreseeable future.

> > > >

> > > > Simply,

> > > > Daniel

> > > >

> > > > On Jul 16, 2020 12:55 PM, "Paschal Ochang" <pascosoft at gmail.com

> > <mailto:pascosoft at gmail.com> <mailto:pascosoft at gmail.com <mailto:

> > pascosoft at gmail.com>>> wrote:

> > > > Hello all,

> > > >

> > > > Yes I will gave to agree with the extension of the period of service

> > of the current co-chair whose tenure is about to expire. In as much as

> > almost every process in the is pandemic era will benefit from virtual

> > participations we need to look at the intricacies of the current

> > suggestions for using rpd participants and remote voting.

> > > >

> > > > I can remember that a policy regarding electronic voting was rejected

> > due to loopholes in the proposal.

> > > >

> > > > Secondly disenfranchising folks who will love to participate even in

> > the last minute should not be justifiable.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > On Thursday, July 16, 2020, Taiwo Oyewande <

> taiwo.oyewande88 at gmail.com

> > <mailto:taiwo.oyewande88 at gmail.com> <mailto:taiwo.oyewande88 at gmail.com

> > <mailto:taiwo.oyewande88 at gmail.com>>> wrote:

> > > > Hi Eddy, Hi all,

> > > >

> > > > At a time like this, based on the importance of the co-chair election

> > to the policy development process, the standing election process that

> > clearly states a show of hands and the delicate nature of this election,

> i

> > will like to suggest that the period of service of the current co-chair

> be

> > extended till the next face to face meeting.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Taiwo

> > > >

> > > >> On 16 Jul 2020, at 11:48, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <

> > rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net> <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net

> <mailto:

> > rpd at afrinic.net>>> wrote:

> > > >>

> > > >> ?

> > > >> Yep, in fact looking at the features and the way it works, seems

> very

> > very close to what LACNIC is using (I believe the developed in-house, but

> > I?m not sure).

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >> Regards,

> > > >>

> > > >> Jordi

> > > >>

> > > >> @jordipalet

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >> El 16/7/20 12:35, "Mike Silber" <silber.mike at gmail.com <mailto:

> > silber.mike at gmail.com> <mailto:silber.mike at gmail.com <mailto:

> > silber.mike at gmail.com>>> escribi?:

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >> This platform has been recommended to me and code is available:

> > https://heliosvoting.org <https://heliosvoting.org/> <

> > https://heliosvoting.org/ <https://heliosvoting.org/>>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >> On 16 Jul 2020, at 11:51, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <

> > rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net> <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net

> <mailto:

> > rpd at afrinic.net>>> wrote:

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >> Hi Eddy, all,

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >> LACNIC always do this remotely and electronically, using the

> > subscribers in the RPD mailing list at some point before the process

> starts

> > (to avoid ?lots of friends? not really ?part of the PDP? to join the day

> > before the voting).

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >> I will think it is the best choice we have in replacement for a

> > non-in-person-meeting.

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >> I think they could help in providing the platform or the code or

> > something similar, in case you don?t have already an existing platform to

> > do that.

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >> Regards,

> > > >>

> > > >> Jordi

> > > >>

> > > >> @jordipalet

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >> El 16/7/20 11:47, "Eddy Kayihura" <eddy at afrinic.net <mailto:

> > eddy at afrinic.net> <mailto:eddy at afrinic.net <mailto:eddy at afrinic.net>>>

> > escribi?:

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >> Dear PDWG community members

> > > >>

> > > >> The Public Policy Meeting will be on the agenda of the Africa

> > Internet Summit 2020 (AIS-20) inSeptember. One PDWG co-chair?s term (one

> > year) will end during the Public Policy Meeting.

> > > >>

> > > >> The election process for the PDWG co-chair (please see

> > https://www.afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group#election <

> > https://www.afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group#election> <

> > https://www.afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group#election <

> > https://www.afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group#election>> for

> > more details) says that voting shall be by a simple show of hands.

> However,

> > this Public Policy meeting shall be held online.

> > > >>

> > > >> We are therefore requesting feedback from the community on how

> > AFRINIC can best proceed with the election to fill the vacant seat of one

> > PDP co-chair. We shall be delighted to receive your proposals for this

> > important matter and hope we can have a consensus within a week.

> > > >>

> > > >> Regards,

> > > >>

> > > >> Eddy

> > > >>

> > > >> -----

> > > >>

> > > >> Chers membres de la communaut? du PDWG,

> > > >>

> > > >> La r?union de politique publique sera ? l'ordre du jour du Sommet

> > Africain de l'Internet 2020 (AIS-20) qui se tiendra du 14 au 18 septembre

> > 2020. Le mandat d'un des copr?sidents du PDWG (un an) prendra fin pendant

> > la r?union de politique publique.

> > > >>

> > > >> Le processus d'?lection du copr?sident du PDWG (voir

> > https://www.afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group#election <

> > https://www.afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group#election> <

> > https://www.afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group#election <

> > https://www.afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group#election>> pour

> > plus de d?tails) pr?voit que le vote se fera ? main lev?e. Toutefois,

> cette

> > r?union de politique publique se tiendra en ligne.

> > > >>

> > > >> Nous demandons donc ? la communaut? de nous faire part de ses

> > commentaires sur la meilleure fa?on pour AFRINIC de proc?der ? l'?lection

> > pour pourvoir le si?ge vacant d'un copr?sident du PDP. Nous serons ravis

> de

> > recevoir vos propositions sur cette importante question et esperons avoir

> > un consensus dans une semaine.

> > > >>

> > > >> Cordialement,

> > > >>

> > > >> Eddy

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >> ----

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >> Eddy Kayihura

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >> Chief Executive Officer

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >> African Network Information Centre (AFRINIC)

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

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