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[rpd] RPD Digest, Vol 165, Issue 16
Ish Sookun
ish at lsl.digital
Thu Jun 11 05:04:45 UTC 2020
Dear all,
Upon reading this, I ponder, whether the AFRINIC community members
require an established mailing list netiquette written and accepted by
members joining the lists?
Every now and then I read an email where someone is reminding somebody
else (or everybody) on the need to respect others opinion. This should
not be reminded; it should be a de facto thing to adhere when joining.
Regards,
Ish Sookun
On Wed, 2020-06-10 at 09:36 +0300, Murungi Daniel wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> I hope all is well with you and yours.
>
> In order for this conversation (and other conversations born out of
> the original thread) to be productive, we need to agree on some
> basics;
>
> 1) Patience, empathy and understanding
>
> I think we all agree that everyone processes and understands various
> topics at different rates. As such, each one of us (members and co-
> chairs) need to develop the patience and empathy required to listen
> and absorb what any member has to say.
>
> 2) The “out to get me” syndrome
>
> We all (members and co-chairs) need to have the confidence that
> criticisms and differences in opinion do not constitute personal
> attacks. Anyone who joins and chooses to participate in any
> conversation on this list does so because they believe they have
> something to offer. Am sure I speak for everyone when I say - Any
> member with the express purpose of “getting someone” does not belong
> on this list.
>
> 3) Relevance of topics to the RPD
>
> a) As the name indicates and as some have pointed out, this is the
> “Resource Policy Discussion list”. In order for a topic to be
> relevant, it must match the criteria below;
>
> i) Reference an AFRINIC resource:
> - From the AFRINIC website "About page" - Internet
> number resources [IP addresses, ASNs].
> - RPD list;
> I don’t know how many will agree with this but my
> personal view is this list is a resource since the outputs generated
> enable AFRINIC to achieve the goal of Bottom up policy development.
> As such, discussions about the list itself should be
> permitted.
> ii) Reference an existing policy or propose a new policy.
>
> b) The original thread - “Cloud Innovation Displays Very Poor, If Not
> Criminal, Netizenship”
>
> Am of the view that we (Co-chairs and members) missed it on this one.
> The Co-chairs haphazardly determined that the topic was irrelevant.
> In order to determine relevance of this topic, the Co-chairs should
> have asked the member who made the initial post the following
> questions;
>
> i) Do the actions of the accused violate any existing policy?
> (At this point whether the accused did what they are accused of
> mistakenly or knowingly is irrelevant)
> ii) If yes to question (i), Which policy (with a clear
> description of what section was violated)?
> Based on the answer to this question, the community and
> Co-chairs can discuss and agree on whether the accused violated the
> policy in question.
> iii) Do you have suggestions on how the violated policy can be
> improved or do you have any suggestions for a new policy that would
> help prevent future violations?
>
> Failure by the person who made the original post to effectively
> answer questions 3(b)(i) and 3(b)(ii) would automatically determine
> the post as irrelevant to the RPD list. This approach has the added
> advantage of effectively proving to the community that the Co-chairs
> have no bias towards the accused or the accuser.
>
> 4) Code of conduct violations
>
> Unfortunately, this list is a text based list. Members and Co-chairs
> are not able to read facial queues nor hear vocal tones to judge
> one’s state of mind or emotions. All we have is the text that is
> posted in response to a topic that is under discussion.
>
> As such, any accusation of a code of conduct violation should clearly
> specify what section of the code of conduct was violated and point
> out the text snippet(s) which violated the code of conduct. Simply
> repeating that the code of conduct was violated without any proof
> amplifies fears that the Co-chairs are either biased against the
> accused or are using their position to punish members over perceived
> personal grudges.
>
>
> To all who have read the above in it’s entirety, thank you for your
> patience.
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Murungi Daniel
>
>
>
> > On Jun 9, 2020, at 11:20 AM, Daniel Yakmut via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net
> > > wrote:
> >
> > Dear Murungi "my namesake as we say in my village",
> >
> > Your statement below is clearly one of the challenges in our
> > community, and i strongly agree that we could've and should do
> > better on looking at policy proposals critically and how it impacts
> > us in the future. However, the unnecessary diversions can easily
> > remove our focus on real matter "Policies".
> >
> > I agree we need to re-focus and agree to disagree.
> >
> > "I am of the view that all the scandals and dodgy resource
> > assignments (plus the policies that support them) which plague
> > AFRINIC are due to the fact that we as community members did not
> > actively question the actions and decisions made by AFRINIC
> > management. Plus many of us did not fully understand nor take time
> > to scrutinize policy proposals from members and their future
> > impact. Thus, we all fell short of our responsibility as stewards
> > of the IP resources dear to us."
> >
> > Simply,
> >
> > Daniel
> >
> > On 08/06/2020 6:34 am, Murungi Daniel wrote:
> > > Dear Emem,
> > >
> > > You have made strong baseless accusations against me on a public
> > > forum. I write to address them.
> > >
> > > I did not choose to be active on this list out of boredom and
> > > neither is it because I have nothing else to do. I don’t know you
> > > or most of the people on this list personally. So for you and
> > > others to accuse me of plotting personal attacks on members
> > > without clearly specifying supporting statements is not only
> > > slanderous but a cause for concern.
> > >
> > > This list is for discussion of all matters related to governance
> > > and assignment of IP address on the African continent. These
> > > discussions, provide the building blocks for the policies which
> > > govern IP resource usage and assignment.
> > >
> > > All my replies to any topic on this list are in response to what
> > > has been posted by members. When I ask a question (as is my
> > > right), it is always in response to a statement made by a
> > > community member.
> > >
> > > Additionally, IMHO, yourself and a couple of others continue to
> > > use the word chaos without justification. I believe this is
> > > unnecessary gas lighting and should be stopped immediately.
> > >
> > > I am of the view that all the scandals and dodgy resource
> > > assignments (plus the policies that support them) which plague
> > > AFRINIC are due to the fact that we as community members did not
> > > actively question the actions and decisions made by AFRINIC
> > > management. Plus many of us did not fully understand nor take
> > > time to scrutinize policy proposals from members and their future
> > > impact. Thus, we all fell short of our responsibility as stewards
> > > of the IP resources dear to us.
> > >
> > > In closing, when I or any other member asks for clarification on
> > > a decision taken by AFRINIC management or on a statement made in
> > > reply to a post (from any member), a timely and concise response
> > > should be provided. Not deflections and accusations of inciting
> > > chaos and personal attacks.
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Daniel
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Jun 7, 2020, at 2:01 AM, Emem William <dwizard65 at gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear Marcus and Daniel,
> > > > I have been observing you silently expecting that with time
> > > > you'll come to the consciousness of the code of conduct that
> > > > governs the AFRINIC mailing list.
> > > >
> > > > Please we did not sign onto this mailing list so that you can
> > > > attack those with whom you have personal differences.
> > > > We are fully in support of the Co-chair's decision cos it's
> > > > imperative to restore sanctity in this mailing list. Like he
> > > > said, we want a stable AFRINIC not one with chaos and
> > > > disorderliness.
> > > > Co-chairs. Please keep doing the wonderful job you that you
> > > > were elected to do.
> > > > We fully support you.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Emem WILLIAM
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Jun 6, 2020, 23:24 BINEMO SHADIMIADI Jean Guelord <
> > > > guelordshadimiadi at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Bonjour et Bonsoir chers tous, je commence par mon adage «
> > > > > Ver qu’on fait plus de cas de l’opinion que la vie ; on se
> > > > > battait pour se venger ou se faire des ennemies ? Cette
> > > > > sauvagerie développait à un
> > > > > haut degré de l’énergie individuel, elle formait des amitiés
> > > > > solides,mais elle ôtait à l’opinion de tout son pouvoir. La
> > > > > société se divisait en petit group bien unis, mais chacun
> > > > > autours d’un protecteurs. »
> > > > > Chers tous, j’ai croit que nous oublions la mission que nous
> > > > > avons ici, et on se focalise sur le personne, les intérêts
> > > > > personnel et le débat sur les hors normes d’AFRINIC ; je
> > > > > demande à toute un chacun de
> > > > > bien vouloir mettre de l’eau dans son pot de vin !
> > > > > Se réfèrent au message de ABDULKARIM je cite (Your last
> > > > > email has clearly violated the last warning earlier issued
> > > > > by the Co-Chair. Therefore we are left with no choice than to
> > > > > moderate any email you send onto this mailing list. This
> > > > > would be reviewed after a week.
> > > > > I would have to say that this is a very slippery slope we are
> > > > > treading down.) ; ne pouvez pas nous amener à se contre
> > > > > attaquer comme si on était ennemies plus tôt nous sommes
> > > > > membres d’une même communauté et
> > > > > chacun dans son coin cherche le bien de la communauté AFRI
> > > > > NIC, si on se référence à de principes de débat : il ya la
> > > > > tolérance, unité, universalité et le respect des opinons des
> > > > > uns et autres, alors commençons par d’abord respecter
> > > > > l’opinion de ABDULKARIM, puis vérifions si cela viole les
> > > > > normes de débat dans le PDP et en faire le
> > > > > proposition au cochairs pour soit retirer le débat ou recadre
> > > > > le débat.
> > > > > Si des cochairs sont élus par la Communauté, principalement
> > > > > pour organisent et modèrent des discussions autour du PDP.
> > > > > C’est-à-dire les cochaires ont aussi le pouvoir de retirer
> > > > > un débat qui ne met pas
> > > > > les membres de la communauté en unité, en paix pour le bien
> > > > > de l’évolution de l’internet en Afrique ou donner les
> > > > > orientations. Concentrons-nous sur notre mission pour lequel
> > > > > nous sommes ici, évitons de personnaliser le débat, de
> > > > > se rendre justice tant que les
> > > > > cochaires sont là. Personnellement je soutien et respecte
> > > > > l’avis ABDULKARIM puisque cela reste sont point de vie. Et
> > > > > demandent à tout le monde d’orienter le débat sur l’évolution
> > > > > que nous mettre dans la défense des personnes.
> > > > >
> > > > > Le sam. 6 juin 2020 à 19:26, <rpd-request at afrinic.net> a
> > > > > écrit :
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> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Today's Topics:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1. Re: [Community-Discuss] Cloud Innovation Displays
> > > > > > Very Poor,
> > > > > > If Not Criminal, Netizenship (Marcus K. G. Adomey)
> > > > > > 2. Re: RPD Digest, Vol 165, Issue 13 (Blaise Fyama)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > -------------
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Message: 1
> > > > > > Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2020 17:20:10 +0000
> > > > > > From: "Marcus K. G. Adomey" <madomey at hotmail.com>
> > > > > > To: ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE <oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng>
> > > > > > Cc: Ubah Anthony Ikechukwu <ubah.tonyiyke at gmail.com>,
> > > > > > "rpd at afrinic.net" <rpd at afrinic.net>
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [rpd] [Community-Discuss] Cloud Innovation
> > > > > > Displays Very
> > > > > > Poor, If Not Criminal, Netizenship
> > > > > > Message-ID:
> > > > > > <
> > > > > > AM6PR02MB45988F83924CE61694DC702DB9870 at AM6PR02MB4598.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dear Abdulkarim,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You were disruptive by trying to prevent the discussions to
> > > > > > ever happen or happen on rpd.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The bad actions and examples shall be allowed to be called
> > > > > > out strongly.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Community ignored your rant and kept discussions going
> > > > > > without cochairs and made progress.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The community does not elect cochairs to censor discussions
> > > > > > while chosing which topics to be discussed on rpd list.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > While enforcing CoC is part of your role, it does not
> > > > > > prescribe what I said above. In fact, you have so far not
> > > > > > been able to provide an official reason for censorship of
> > > > > > posts by Noah, a senior member of this community
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Community elected cochairs are expected to be neutral and
> > > > > > mainly organize and moderate discussions around the PDP.
> > > > > > This is one more question about your neutrality
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As we kept saying, a well organized and structured
> > > > > > discussion style would prevent many deviations and
> > > > > > encourage more participation.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cultural and linguistic diversities plus different levels
> > > > > > of expertise, which all make the beauty of our community,
> > > > > > have to be well exploited for the good.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Many people feel frustrated and under attack with responses
> > > > > > from others because of the differences in the
> > > > > > understandings.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Marcus
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > From: ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE <oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng>
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, June 5, 2020 9:09 PM
> > > > > > To: Marcus K. G. Adomey <madomey at hotmail.com>
> > > > > > Cc: Murungi Daniel <dmurungi at wia.co.tz>; Ubah Anthony
> > > > > > Ikechukwu <ubah.tonyiyke at gmail.com>; rpd at afrinic.net <
> > > > > > rpd at afrinic.net>
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [rpd] [Community-Discuss] Cloud Innovation
> > > > > > Displays Very Poor, If Not Criminal, Netizenship
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dear Marcus,
> > > > > > Yes, I agree that the follow-up discussion was useful and
> > > > > > am sure you would agree with us that it became useful when
> > > > > > no one felt under attack.
> > > > > > Its that type of discussions that the code of conduct we
> > > > > > all signed up to permits. We were never disruptive maybe
> > > > > > you meant constructive as we were only doing the job the
> > > > > > community elected us to do.
> > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > > Co-Chair
> > > > > > Cheers and Have
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 4:28 PM Marcus K. G. Adomey <
> > > > > > madomey at hotmail.com<mailto:madomey at hotmail.com>> wrote:
> > > > > > I have not seen any response to this query and the followup
> > > > > > discussions on the incident on rpd has proven to be useful
> > > > > > for the mandate and scope of the PDP.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You were just disruptive and you must stop this recurrent
> > > > > > censorship as others have said.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Please reinstate immediately Noah?s posting rights with
> > > > > > apologies.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Marcus
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > From: Murungi Daniel <dmurungi at wia.co.tz<mailto:
> > > > > > dmurungi at wia.co.tz>>
> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 8:11 PM
> > > > > > To: ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE <oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng<ma
> > > > > > ilto:oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng>>
> > > > > > Cc: Ubah Anthony Ikechukwu <ubah.tonyiyke at gmail.com<mailto:
> > > > > > ubah.tonyiyke at gmail.com>>; rpd at afrinic.net<mailto:
> > > > > > rpd at afrinic.net> <rpd at afrinic.net<mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [rpd] [Community-Discuss] Cloud Innovation
> > > > > > Displays Very Poor, If Not Criminal, Netizenship
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dear Abdulkarim,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Kindly elaborate on the details of the personal attack and
> > > > > > chaos you mentioned in your last email.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > Daniel
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On May 31, 2020, at 10:14 PM, ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE <
> > > > > > oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng<mailto:
> > > > > > oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng>> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dear Murungi,
> > > > > > I have no issues with transparency, infact what I want is
> > > > > > transparency. What we don't want is chaos. I don't think
> > > > > > you would tolerate someone attacking you personally.
> > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sun, 31 May 2020, 19:36 Murungi Daniel, <
> > > > > > dmurungi at wia.co.tz<mailto:dmurungi at wia.co.tz>> wrote:
> > > > > > +1 @Mark Tinka.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > @Abdulkarim, it seems you have an issue with transparency
> > > > > > on this list. Granted, some of Noah?s words may be heavy
> > > > > > handed ( he is a passionate fellow) but I see no cause for
> > > > > > the action you are proposing.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Your ?power? as Co -PWGD is not to be wielded for stifling
> > > > > > member voices or punishing what you perceive to be a
> > > > > > personal slight.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > Daniel
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On May 31, 2020, at 10:29 AM, Mark Tinka <
> > > > > > mark.tinka at seacom.mu<mailto:mark.tinka at seacom.mu>> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 30/May/20 08:11, ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> Dear Noah,
> > > > > > >> Your last email has clearly violated the last warning
> > > > > > earlier issued
> > > > > > >> by the Co-Chair. Therefore we are left with no choice
> > > > > > than to moderate
> > > > > > >> any email you send onto this mailing list. This would be
> > > > > > reviewed
> > > > > > >> after a week.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I would have to say that this is a very slippery slope we
> > > > > > are treading down.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mark.
> > > > > > >
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> > > > > > From: Blaise Fyama <bfyama at gmail.com>
> > > > > > To: Josu? Vangu <vangumabika at gmail.com>
> > > > > > Cc: RPD at afrinic.net
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [rpd] RPD Digest, Vol 165, Issue 13
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> > > > > > Pour ma part une intimidation savamment moul?e dans une
> > > > > > r?clamation n'est
> > > > > > pas bonne.
> > > > > > Si nous nous consid?rions les uns les autres on
> > > > > > comprendrait que dans tous
> > > > > > nos ?crits il ya la lettre et l'esprit de la lettre.
> > > > > > Les attaques sybillines et cibl?es que l'on se m?ne sous
> > > > > > couvert dans le
> > > > > > groupe ne doivent pas exag?rer. Et quand le co-chair joue
> > > > > > son r?le
> > > > > > d'arbitre ce n'est absolument pas une occasion de
> > > > > > l'intimider. La libert?
> > > > > > est bonne lorsqu'on l'utilise pour le bien de tous.
> > > > > > Ce qui est juste est juste!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Blaise FYAMA
> > > > > > Msc, PhD.
> > > > > > Professeur Associ?
> > > > > > Secr?taire G?n?ral Acad?mique Honoraire/UL
> > > > > > Doyen de la Facult? des Sciences Informatiques/UPL
> > > > > > Doyen a.i de la Facult? Polytechnique/UPL
> > > > > > Chef de D?partement G?nie Electrique/ESI-UNILU
> > > > > > Chef de Service Informatique/Polytech-UNILU
> > > > > > Consultant Informatique BIT/PAEJK
> > > > > > Membre de International Research Conference IRC/WASET
> > > > > > Tel: +243995579515
> > > > > > Num?ro O.N.I.CIV: 00460
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > MSc, PhD.
> > > > > > Associate Professor
> > > > > > Honorary Academic Secretary General / UL
> > > > > > Dean of the Faculty of Computer Science / UPL
> > > > > > Dean a.i of the Polytechnic Faculty / UPL
> > > > > > Head of Department of Electrical Engineering / ESI-UNILU
> > > > > > IT Service Manager / Polytech-UNILU
> > > > > > IT Consultant BIT / PAEJK
> > > > > > Member of International Research Conference IRC/WASET
> > > > > > Phone: +243995579515
> > > > > > O.N.I.CIV number: 00460
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Le sam. 6 juin 2020 ? 18:53, Josu? Vangu <
> > > > > > vangumabika at gmail.com> a ?crit :
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bonsoir ? tous,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Je pense que nous devons rester focus et ?volutif sur les
> > > > > > discussions des
> > > > > > > politiques, s'attarder sur le sujet nous m?nent ? rien.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Il y a eu un avertissement pr?c?dent, s'il n'a pas ?t?
> > > > > > respect? quoi de
> > > > > > > plus normal que de subir des mesures disciplinaires qui
> > > > > > seront revus dans
> > > > > > > une semaine comme j'ai lu, laissons les copr?sidents
> > > > > > faire leur travail.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --------
> > > > > > > Josu? Vangu
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S9
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Le sam. 6 juin 2020 ? 10:51, <rpd-request at afrinic.net> a
> > > > > > ?crit :
> > > > > > >
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> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> 1. Re: [Community-Discuss] Cloud Innovation Displays
> > > > > > Very Poor,
> > > > > > >> If Not Criminal, Netizenship (Arnaud AMELINA)
> > > > > > >> 2. Re: [Community-Discuss] Cloud Innovation Displays
> > > > > > Very Poor,
> > > > > > >> If Not Criminal, Netizenship (Taiwo Oyewande)
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> --------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > --------------
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Message: 1
> > > > > > >> Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2020 04:08:21 +0000
> > > > > > >> From: Arnaud AMELINA <amelnaud at gmail.com>
> > > > > > >> To: ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE <oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> Cc: Ubah Anthony Ikechukwu <ubah.tonyiyke at gmail.com>,
> > > > > > >> "rpd at afrinic.net" <rpd at afrinic.net>
> > > > > > >> Subject: Re: [rpd] [Community-Discuss] Cloud Innovation
> > > > > > Displays Very
> > > > > > >> Poor, If Not Criminal, Netizenship
> > > > > > >> Message-ID:
> > > > > > >> <CAGDMR_fk9H6qf-TAsoPOd-sJtF2rY0kthGyvScxSkYp=
> > > > > > >> rd+Hfw at mail.gmail.com>
> > > > > > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Abdulkarim, je n'ai pas du tout l'impression que ton
> > > > > > jugement sur cette
> > > > > > >> liste de discussion soit ?quitable. Il semblerait que
> > > > > > certaines personnes
> > > > > > >> ont le droit de dire tout ce qu'ils veulent et
> > > > > > d'intimider (ce que le code
> > > > > > >> de conduite interdit) les autres contributeurs , sans
> > > > > > que tu ne te
> > > > > > >> manifeste. Par contre tu t'acharnes sur d'autres
> > > > > > contributeurs ? chacune
> > > > > > >> de
> > > > > > >> leur intervention comme si tu recevais des instructions
> > > > > > pour le faire. De
> > > > > > >> gr?ce arr?tes ?a et fait le job pour lequel tu as ?t?
> > > > > > ?lu .
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> En quoi est-ce une attaque que de d?noncer une
> > > > > > usurpation de ressources
> > > > > > >> (ASN) d'un client par un autre client d'Afrinic
> > > > > > constituerait une attaque
> > > > > > >> personnelle comme stipul? dans le code de conduite? Soit
> > > > > > objectif et
> > > > > > >> ?quitable dans tes d?cisions.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Cordialement
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Arnaud
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Le ven. 5 juin 2020 ? 21:11, ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE <
> > > > > > >> oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng> a ?crit :
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > Dear Marcus,
> > > > > > >> > Yes, I agree that the follow-up discussion was useful
> > > > > > and am sure you
> > > > > > >> > would agree with us that it became useful when no one
> > > > > > felt under attack.
> > > > > > >> > Its that type of discussions that the code of conduct
> > > > > > we all signed up
> > > > > > >> to
> > > > > > >> > permits. We were never disruptive maybe you meant
> > > > > > constructive as we
> > > > > > >> were
> > > > > > >> > only doing the job the community elected us to do.
> > > > > > >> > Cheers
> > > > > > >> > Co-Chair
> > > > > > >> > Cheers and Have
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 4:28 PM Marcus K. G. Adomey <
> > > > > > madomey at hotmail.com
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > wrote:
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> >> I have not seen any response to this query and the
> > > > > > followup discussions
> > > > > > >> >> on the incident on rpd has proven to be useful for
> > > > > > the mandate and
> > > > > > >> scope of
> > > > > > >> >> the PDP.
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> You were just disruptive and you must stop this
> > > > > > recurrent censorship as
> > > > > > >> >> others have said.
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> Please reinstate immediately Noah?s posting rights
> > > > > > with apologies.
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> Regards,
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> Marcus
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> ------------------------------
> > > > > > >> >> *From:* Murungi Daniel <dmurungi at wia.co.tz>
> > > > > > >> >> *Sent:* Sunday, May 31, 2020 8:11 PM
> > > > > > >> >> *To:* ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE <
> > > > > > oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng>
> > > > > > >> >> *Cc:* Ubah Anthony Ikechukwu <ubah.tonyiyke at gmail.com
> > > > > > >;
> > > > > > >> rpd at afrinic.net <
> > > > > > >> >> rpd at afrinic.net>
> > > > > > >> >> *Subject:* Re: [rpd] [Community-Discuss] Cloud
> > > > > > Innovation Displays Very
> > > > > > >> >> Poor, If Not Criminal, Netizenship
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> Dear Abdulkarim,
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> Kindly elaborate on the details of the personal
> > > > > > attack and chaos you
> > > > > > >> >> mentioned in your last email.
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> Regards,
> > > > > > >> >> Daniel
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> On May 31, 2020, at 10:14 PM, ABDULKARIM AYOPO
> > > > > > OLOYEDE <
> > > > > > >> >> oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng> wrote:
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> Dear Murungi,
> > > > > > >> >> I have no issues with transparency, infact what I
> > > > > > want is transparency.
> > > > > > >> >> What we don't want is chaos. I don't think you would
> > > > > > tolerate someone
> > > > > > >> >> attacking you personally.
> > > > > > >> >> Thanks
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> On Sun, 31 May 2020, 19:36 Murungi Daniel, <
> > > > > > dmurungi at wia.co.tz> wrote:
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> +1 @Mark Tinka.
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> @Abdulkarim, it seems you have an issue with
> > > > > > transparency on this list.
> > > > > > >> >> Granted, some of Noah?s words may be heavy handed (
> > > > > > he is a passionate
> > > > > > >> >> fellow) but I see no cause for the action you are
> > > > > > proposing.
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> Your ?power? as Co -PWGD is not to be wielded for
> > > > > > stifling member
> > > > > > >> voices
> > > > > > >> >> or punishing what you perceive to be a personal
> > > > > > slight.
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> Regards,
> > > > > > >> >> Daniel
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> > On May 31, 2020, at 10:29 AM, Mark Tinka <
> > > > > > mark.tinka at seacom.mu>
> > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > >> >> > On 30/May/20 08:11, ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE wrote:
> > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > >> >> >> Dear Noah,
> > > > > > >> >> >> Your last email has clearly violated the last
> > > > > > warning earlier
> > > > > > >> issued
> > > > > > >> >> >> by the Co-Chair. Therefore we are left with no
> > > > > > choice than to
> > > > > > >> moderate
> > > > > > >> >> >> any email you send onto this mailing list. This
> > > > > > would be reviewed
> > > > > > >> >> >> after a week.
> > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > >> >> > I would have to say that this is a very slippery
> > > > > > slope we are
> > > > > > >> treading
> > > > > > >> >> down.
> > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > >> >> > Mark.
> > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > >> >> > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > >> >> > RPD mailing list
> > > > > > >> >> > RPD at afrinic.net
> > > > > > >> >> > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> Website <http://www.unilorin.edu.ng/>;, Weekly
> > > > > > Bulletin
> > > > > > >> >> <http://www.unilorin.edu.ng/index.php/bulletin>
> > > > > > UGPortal
> > > > > > >> >> <http://uilugportal.unilorin.edu.ng/> PGPortal
> > > > > > >> >> <https://uilpgportal.unilorin.edu.ng/>
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> > Website <http://www.unilorin.edu.ng>;, Weekly Bulletin
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> > > > > > >> ------------------------------
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Message: 2
> > > > > > >> Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2020 09:50:21 +0100
> > > > > > >> From: Taiwo Oyewande <taiwo.oyewande88 at gmail.com>
> > > > > > >> To: Arnaud AMELINA <amelnaud at gmail.com>
> > > > > > >> Cc: Ubah Anthony Ikechukwu <ubah.tonyiyke at gmail.com>,
> > > > > > >> "rpd at afrinic.net" <rpd at afrinic.net>
> > > > > > >> Subject: Re: [rpd] [Community-Discuss] Cloud Innovation
> > > > > > Displays Very
> > > > > > >> Poor, If Not Criminal, Netizenship
> > > > > > >> Message-ID: <
> > > > > > 57D0144E-FDAD-452E-8352-D2D229EBFA39 at gmail.com>
> > > > > > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Good day,
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> I think the co-chairs are doing the job they were
> > > > > > elected to do and we
> > > > > > >> should commend them for a great job so far. Just as
> > > > > > @Murungi stated, Noah
> > > > > > >> had some heavy handed words. Also the co-chairs stated
> > > > > > -rightfully- that
> > > > > > >> those messages were out of scope and the RPD mailing
> > > > > > list be used only for
> > > > > > >> policy discussions to determine a way forward in the
> > > > > > community.
> > > > > > >> I also agree with Marcus that Noah had some constructive
> > > > > > points laid out
> > > > > > >> especially after the stern warning was given. I think
> > > > > > the co-chairs should
> > > > > > >> be applauded for repositioning Noah?s great knowledge
> > > > > > back to the focus of
> > > > > > >> the list and to further tap his experience towards the
> > > > > > development of the
> > > > > > >> community.
> > > > > > >> Please let us all keep positive, progressive and ofcos,
> > > > > > safe.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Taiwo
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > On 6 Jun 2020, at 05:12, Arnaud AMELINA <
> > > > > > amelnaud at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > ?
> > > > > > >> > Abdulkarim, je n'ai pas du tout l'impression que ton
> > > > > > jugement sur cette
> > > > > > >> liste de discussion soit ?quitable. Il semblerait que
> > > > > > certaines personnes
> > > > > > >> ont le droit de dire tout ce qu'ils veulent et
> > > > > > d'intimider (ce que le code
> > > > > > >> de conduite interdit) les autres contributeurs , sans
> > > > > > que tu ne te
> > > > > > >> manifeste. Par contre tu t'acharnes sur d'autres
> > > > > > contributeurs ? chacune de
> > > > > > >> leur intervention comme si tu recevais des instructions
> > > > > > pour le faire. De
> > > > > > >> gr?ce arr?tes ?a et fait le job pour lequel tu as ?t?
> > > > > > ?lu .
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > En quoi est-ce une attaque que de d?noncer une
> > > > > > usurpation de ressources
> > > > > > >> (ASN) d'un client par un autre client d'Afrinic
> > > > > > constituerait une attaque
> > > > > > >> personnelle comme stipul? dans le code de conduite? Soit
> > > > > > objectif et
> > > > > > >> ?quitable dans tes d?cisions.
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > Cordialement
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > Arnaud
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> >> Le ven. 5 juin 2020 ? 21:11, ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE
> > > > > > <
> > > > > > >> oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng> a ?crit :
> > > > > > >> >> Dear Marcus,
> > > > > > >> >> Yes, I agree that the follow-up discussion was useful
> > > > > > and am sure you
> > > > > > >> would agree with us that it became useful when no one
> > > > > > felt under attack.
> > > > > > >> >> Its that type of discussions that the code of conduct
> > > > > > we all signed up
> > > > > > >> to permits. We were never disruptive maybe you meant
> > > > > > constructive as we
> > > > > > >> were only doing the job the community elected us to do.
> > > > > > >> >> Cheers
> > > > > > >> >> Co-Chair
> > > > > > >> >> Cheers and Have
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >>> On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 4:28 PM Marcus K. G. Adomey <
> > > > > > >> madomey at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >> >>> I have not seen any response to this query and the
> > > > > > followup
> > > > > > >> discussions on the incident on rpd has proven to be
> > > > > > useful for the mandate
> > > > > > >> and scope of the PDP.
> > > > > > >> >>>
> > > > > > >> >>> You were just disruptive and you must stop this
> > > > > > recurrent censorship
> > > > > > >> as others have said.
> > > > > > >> >>>
> > > > > > >> >>> Please reinstate immediately Noah?s posting rights
> > > > > > with apologies.
> > > > > > >> >>>
> > > > > > >> >>> Regards,
> > > > > > >> >>>
> > > > > > >> >>>
> > > > > > >> >>> Marcus
> > > > > > >> >>>
> > > > > > >> >>> From: Murungi Daniel <dmurungi at wia.co.tz>
> > > > > > >> >>> Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 8:11 PM
> > > > > > >> >>> To: ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE <
> > > > > > oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng>
> > > > > > >> >>> Cc: Ubah Anthony Ikechukwu <ubah.tonyiyke at gmail.com>
> > > > > > ; rpd at afrinic.net
> > > > > > >> <rpd at afrinic.net>
> > > > > > >> >>> Subject: Re: [rpd] [Community-Discuss] Cloud
> > > > > > Innovation Displays Very
> > > > > > >> Poor, If Not Criminal, Netizenship
> > > > > > >> >>>
> > > > > > >> >>> Dear Abdulkarim,
> > > > > > >> >>>
> > > > > > >> >>> Kindly elaborate on the details of the personal
> > > > > > attack and chaos you
> > > > > > >> mentioned in your last email.
> > > > > > >> >>>
> > > > > > >> >>>
> > > > > > >> >>> Regards,
> > > > > > >> >>> Daniel
> > > > > > >> >>>
> > > > > > >> >>>> On May 31, 2020, at 10:14 PM, ABDULKARIM AYOPO
> > > > > > OLOYEDE <
> > > > > > >> oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng> wrote:
> > > > > > >> >>>>
> > > > > > >> >>>> Dear Murungi,
> > > > > > >> >>>> I have no issues with transparency, infact what I
> > > > > > want is
> > > > > > >> transparency. What we don't want is chaos. I don't think
> > > > > > you would tolerate
> > > > > > >> someone attacking you personally.
> > > > > > >> >>>> Thanks
> > > > > > >> >>>>
> > > > > > >> >>>> On Sun, 31 May 2020, 19:36 Murungi Daniel, <
> > > > > > dmurungi at wia.co.tz>
> > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > >> >>>> +1 @Mark Tinka.
> > > > > > >> >>>>
> > > > > > >> >>>> @Abdulkarim, it seems you have an issue with
> > > > > > transparency on this
> > > > > > >> list. Granted, some of Noah?s words may be heavy handed
> > > > > > ( he is a
> > > > > > >> passionate fellow) but I see no cause for the action you
> > > > > > are proposing.
> > > > > > >> >>>>
> > > > > > >> >>>> Your ?power? as Co -PWGD is not to be wielded for
> > > > > > stifling member
> > > > > > >> voices or punishing what you perceive to be a personal
> > > > > > slight.
> > > > > > >> >>>>
> > > > > > >> >>>>
> > > > > > >> >>>> Regards,
> > > > > > >> >>>> Daniel
> > > > > > >> >>>>
> > > > > > >> >>>>
> > > > > > >> >>>> > On May 31, 2020, at 10:29 AM, Mark Tinka <
> > > > > > mark.tinka at seacom.mu>
> > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > >> >>>> >
> > > > > > >> >>>> >
> > > > > > >> >>>> >
> > > > > > >> >>>> > On 30/May/20 08:11, ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >> >>>> >
> > > > > > >> >>>> >> Dear Noah,
> > > > > > >> >>>> >> Your last email has clearly violated the last
> > > > > > warning earlier
> > > > > > >> issued
> > > > > > >> >>>> >> by the Co-Chair. Therefore we are left with no
> > > > > > choice than to
> > > > > > >> moderate
> > > > > > >> >>>> >> any email you send onto this mailing list. This
> > > > > > would be reviewed
> > > > > > >> >>>> >> after a week.
> > > > > > >> >>>> >
> > > > > > >> >>>> > I would have to say that this is a very slippery
> > > > > > slope we are
> > > > > > >> treading down.
> > > > > > >> >>>> >
> > > > > > >> >>>> > Mark.
> > > > > > >> >>>> >
> > > > > > >> >>>> > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > >> >>>> > RPD mailing list
> > > > > > >> >>>> > RPD at afrinic.net
> > > > > > >> >>>> > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd
> > > > > > >> >>>>
> > > > > > >> >>>>
> > > > > > >> >>>> Website, Weekly Bulletin UGPortal PGPortal
> > > > > > >> >>>>
> > > > > > >> >>>
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> Website, Weekly Bulletin UGPortal PGPortal
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> _______________________________________________
> > > > > > >> >> RPD mailing list
> > > > > > >> >> RPD at afrinic.net
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