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[rpd] RPD Digest, Vol 165, Issue 16
Daniel Yakmut
yakmutd at googlemail.com
Tue Jun 9 08:20:07 UTC 2020
Dear Murungi "my namesake as we say in my village",
Your statement below is clearly one of the challenges in our community,
and i strongly agree that we could've and should do better on looking at
policy proposals critically and how it impacts us in the future.
However, the unnecessary diversions can easily remove our focus on real
matter "Policies".
I agree we need to re-focus and agree to disagree.
"I am of the view that all the scandals and dodgy resource assignments
(plus the policies that support them) which plague AFRINIC are due to
the fact that we as community members did not actively question the
actions and decisions made by AFRINIC management. Plus many of us did
not fully understand nor take time to scrutinize policy proposals from
members and their future impact. Thus, we all fell short of our
responsibility as stewards of the IP resources dear to us."
Simply,
Daniel
On 08/06/2020 6:34 am, Murungi Daniel wrote:
> Dear Emem,
>
> You have made strong baseless accusations against me on a public
> forum. I write to address them.
>
> I did not choose to be active on this list out of boredom and neither
> is it because I have nothing else to do. I don’t know you or most of
> the people on this list personally. So for you and others to accuse me
> of plotting personal attacks on members without clearly specifying
> supporting statements is not only slanderous but a cause for concern.
>
> This list is for discussion of all matters related to governance and
> assignment of IP address on the African continent. These discussions,
> provide the building blocks for the policies which govern IP resource
> usage and assignment.
>
> All my replies to any topic on this list are in response to what has
> been posted by members. When I ask a question (as is my right), it is
> always in response to a statement made by a community member.
>
> Additionally, IMHO, yourself and a couple of others continue to use
> the word chaos without justification. I believe this is unnecessary
> gas lighting and should be stopped immediately.
>
> I am of the view that all the scandals and dodgy resource assignments
> (plus the policies that support them) which plague AFRINIC are due to
> the fact that we as community members did not actively question the
> actions and decisions made by AFRINIC management. Plus many of us did
> not fully understand nor take time to scrutinize policy proposals from
> members and their future impact. Thus, we all fell short of our
> responsibility as stewards of the IP resources dear to us.
>
> In closing, when I or any other member asks for clarification on a
> decision taken by AFRINIC management or on a statement made in reply
> to a post (from any member), a timely and concise response should be
> provided. Not deflections and accusations of inciting chaos and
> personal attacks.
>
>
> Regards,
> Daniel
>
>
>> On Jun 7, 2020, at 2:01 AM, Emem William <dwizard65 at gmail.com
>> <mailto:dwizard65 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Marcus and Daniel,
>> I have been observing you silently expecting that with time you'll
>> come to the consciousness of the code of conduct that governs the
>> AFRINIC mailing list.
>>
>> Please we did not sign onto this mailing list so that you can attack
>> those with whom you have personal differences.
>> We are fully in support of the Co-chair's decision cos it's
>> imperative to restore sanctity in this mailing list. Like he said, we
>> want a stable AFRINIC not one with chaos and disorderliness.
>> Co-chairs. Please keep doing the wonderful job you that you were
>> elected to do.
>> We fully support you.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Emem WILLIAM
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 6, 2020, 23:24 BINEMO SHADIMIADI Jean Guelord
>> <guelordshadimiadi at gmail.com <mailto:guelordshadimiadi at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> *Bonjour et Bonsoir chers tous, je commence par mon adage « Ver
>> qu’on fait plus de cas de l’opinion que la vie ; on se battait
>> pour se venger ou se faire des ennemies ? Cette sauvagerie
>> développait à un
>> haut degré de l’énergie individuel, elle formait des amitiés
>> solides,mais elle ôtait à l’opinion de tout son pouvoir. La
>> société se divisait en petit group bien unis, mais chacun autours
>> d’un protecteurs. »
>> Chers tous, j’ai croit que nous oublions la mission que nous
>> avons ici, et on se focalise sur le personne, les intérêts
>> personnel et le débat sur les hors normes d’AFRINIC ; je demande
>> à toute un chacun de
>> bien vouloir mettre de l’eau dans son pot de vin !
>> Se réfèrent au message de ABDULKARIM je cite (Your last email
>> has clearly violated the last warning earlier issued by the
>> Co-Chair. Therefore we are left with no choice than to moderate
>> any email you send onto this mailing list. This would be reviewed
>> after a week.
>> I would have to say that this is a very slippery slope we are
>> treading down.) ; ne pouvez pas nous amener à se contre attaquer
>> comme si on était ennemies plus tôt nous sommes membres d’une
>> même communauté et
>> chacun dans son coin cherche le bien de la communauté AFRI NIC,
>> si on se référence à de principes de débat : il ya la tolérance,
>> unité, universalité et le respect des opinons des uns et autres,
>> alors commençons par d’abord respecter l’opinion de ABDULKARIM,
>> puis vérifions si cela viole les normes de débat dans le PDP et
>> en faire le
>> proposition au cochairs pour soit retirer le débat ou recadre le
>> débat.
>> Si des cochairs sont élus par la Communauté, principalement pour
>> organisent et modèrent des discussions autour du PDP.
>> C’est-à-dire les cochaires ont aussi le pouvoir de retirer un
>> débat qui ne met pas
>> les membres de la communauté en unité, en paix pour le bien de
>> l’évolution de l’internet en Afrique ou donner les orientations.
>> Concentrons-nous sur notre mission pour lequel nous sommes ici,
>> évitons de personnaliser le débat, de se rendre justice tant que
>> les cochaires sont là. Personnellement je soutien et respecte
>> l’avis ABDULKARIM puisque cela reste sont point de vie. Et
>> demandent à tout le monde d’orienter le débat sur l’évolution que
>> nous mettre dans la défense des personnes.*
>>
>> Le sam. 6 juin 2020 à 19:26, <rpd-request at afrinic.net
>> <mailto:rpd-request at afrinic.net>> a écrit :
>>
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>> Today's Topics:
>>
>> 1. Re: [Community-Discuss] Cloud Innovation Displays Very
>> Poor,
>> If Not Criminal, Netizenship (Marcus K. G. Adomey)
>> 2. Re: RPD Digest, Vol 165, Issue 13 (Blaise Fyama)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2020 17:20:10 +0000
>> From: "Marcus K. G. Adomey" <madomey at hotmail.com
>> <mailto:madomey at hotmail.com>>
>> To: ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE <oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng
>> <mailto:oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng>>
>> Cc: Ubah Anthony Ikechukwu <ubah.tonyiyke at gmail.com
>> <mailto:ubah.tonyiyke at gmail.com>>,
>> "rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>"
>> <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
>> Subject: Re: [rpd] [Community-Discuss] Cloud Innovation
>> Displays Very
>> Poor, If Not Criminal, Netizenship
>> Message-ID:
>>
>> <AM6PR02MB45988F83924CE61694DC702DB9870 at AM6PR02MB4598.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com
>> <mailto:AM6PR02MB45988F83924CE61694DC702DB9870 at AM6PR02MB4598.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com>>
>>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>>
>> Dear Abdulkarim,
>>
>> You were disruptive by trying to prevent the discussions to
>> ever happen or happen on rpd.
>>
>> The bad actions and examples shall be allowed to be called
>> out strongly.
>>
>> Community ignored your rant and kept discussions going
>> without cochairs and made progress.
>>
>> The community does not elect cochairs to censor discussions
>> while chosing which topics to be discussed on rpd list.
>>
>> While enforcing CoC is part of your role, it does not
>> prescribe what I said above. In fact, you have so far not
>> been able to provide an official reason for censorship of
>> posts by Noah, a senior member of this community
>>
>> Community elected cochairs are expected to be neutral and
>> mainly organize and moderate discussions around the PDP. This
>> is one more question about your neutrality
>>
>> As we kept saying, a well organized and structured discussion
>> style would prevent many deviations and encourage more
>> participation.
>>
>> Cultural and linguistic diversities plus different levels of
>> expertise, which all make the beauty of our community, have
>> to be well exploited for the good.
>>
>> Many people feel frustrated and under attack with responses
>> from others because of the differences in the understandings.
>>
>>
>>
>> Marcus
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE <oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng
>> <mailto:oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng>>
>> Sent: Friday, June 5, 2020 9:09 PM
>> To: Marcus K. G. Adomey <madomey at hotmail.com
>> <mailto:madomey at hotmail.com>>
>> Cc: Murungi Daniel <dmurungi at wia.co.tz
>> <mailto:dmurungi at wia.co.tz>>; Ubah Anthony Ikechukwu
>> <ubah.tonyiyke at gmail.com <mailto:ubah.tonyiyke at gmail.com>>;
>> rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net> <rpd at afrinic.net
>> <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
>> Subject: Re: [rpd] [Community-Discuss] Cloud Innovation
>> Displays Very Poor, If Not Criminal, Netizenship
>>
>> Dear Marcus,
>> Yes, I agree that the follow-up discussion was useful and am
>> sure you would agree with us that it became useful when no
>> one felt under attack.
>> Its that type of discussions that the code of conduct we all
>> signed up to permits. We were never disruptive maybe you
>> meant constructive as we were only doing the job the
>> community elected us to do.
>> Cheers
>> Co-Chair
>> Cheers and Have
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 4:28 PM Marcus K. G. Adomey
>> <madomey at hotmail.com
>> <mailto:madomey at hotmail.com><mailto:madomey at hotmail.com
>> <mailto:madomey at hotmail.com>>> wrote:
>> I have not seen any response to this query and the followup
>> discussions on the incident on rpd has proven to be useful
>> for the mandate and scope of the PDP.
>>
>> You were just disruptive and you must stop this recurrent
>> censorship as others have said.
>>
>> Please reinstate immediately Noah?s posting rights with
>> apologies.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>> Marcus
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Murungi Daniel <dmurungi at wia.co.tz
>> <mailto:dmurungi at wia.co.tz><mailto:dmurungi at wia.co.tz
>> <mailto:dmurungi at wia.co.tz>>>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 8:11 PM
>> To: ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE <oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng
>> <mailto:oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng><mailto:oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng
>> <mailto:oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng>>>
>> Cc: Ubah Anthony Ikechukwu <ubah.tonyiyke at gmail.com
>> <mailto:ubah.tonyiyke at gmail.com><mailto:ubah.tonyiyke at gmail.com
>> <mailto:ubah.tonyiyke at gmail.com>>>; rpd at afrinic.net
>> <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net><mailto:rpd at afrinic.net
>> <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>> <rpd at afrinic.net
>> <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net><mailto:rpd at afrinic.net
>> <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>>
>> Subject: Re: [rpd] [Community-Discuss] Cloud Innovation
>> Displays Very Poor, If Not Criminal, Netizenship
>>
>> Dear Abdulkarim,
>>
>> Kindly elaborate on the details of the personal attack and
>> chaos you mentioned in your last email.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Daniel
>>
>> On May 31, 2020, at 10:14 PM, ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE
>> <oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng
>> <mailto:oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng><mailto:oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng
>> <mailto:oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng>>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Murungi,
>> I have no issues with transparency, infact what I want is
>> transparency. What we don't want is chaos. I don't think you
>> would tolerate someone attacking you personally.
>> Thanks
>>
>> On Sun, 31 May 2020, 19:36 Murungi Daniel,
>> <dmurungi at wia.co.tz
>> <mailto:dmurungi at wia.co.tz><mailto:dmurungi at wia.co.tz
>> <mailto:dmurungi at wia.co.tz>>> wrote:
>> +1 @Mark Tinka.
>>
>> @Abdulkarim, it seems you have an issue with transparency on
>> this list. Granted, some of Noah?s words may be heavy handed
>> ( he is a passionate fellow) but I see no cause for the
>> action you are proposing.
>>
>> Your ?power? as Co -PWGD is not to be wielded for stifling
>> member voices or punishing what you perceive to be a personal
>> slight.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Daniel
>>
>>
>> > On May 31, 2020, at 10:29 AM, Mark Tinka
>> <mark.tinka at seacom.mu
>> <mailto:mark.tinka at seacom.mu><mailto:mark.tinka at seacom.mu
>> <mailto:mark.tinka at seacom.mu>>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 30/May/20 08:11, ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE wrote:
>> >
>> >> Dear Noah,
>> >> Your last email has clearly violated the last warning
>> earlier issued
>> >> by the Co-Chair. Therefore we are left with no choice than
>> to moderate
>> >> any email you send onto this mailing list. This would be
>> reviewed
>> >> after a week.
>> >
>> > I would have to say that this is a very slippery slope we
>> are treading down.
>> >
>> > Mark.
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2020 19:25:37 +0200
>> From: Blaise Fyama <bfyama at gmail.com <mailto:bfyama at gmail.com>>
>> To: Josu? Vangu <vangumabika at gmail.com
>> <mailto:vangumabika at gmail.com>>
>> Cc: RPD at afrinic.net <mailto:RPD at afrinic.net>
>> Subject: Re: [rpd] RPD Digest, Vol 165, Issue 13
>> Message-ID:
>>
>> <CAPehF5eXiCMsPGQuY58-04XpNBy=fN_4=6TCUQpkWqUjkzvgKw at mail.gmail.com
>> <mailto:6TCUQpkWqUjkzvgKw at mail.gmail.com>>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Pour ma part une intimidation savamment moul?e dans une
>> r?clamation n'est
>> pas bonne.
>> Si nous nous consid?rions les uns les autres on comprendrait
>> que dans tous
>> nos ?crits il ya la lettre et l'esprit de la lettre.
>> Les attaques sybillines et cibl?es que l'on se m?ne sous
>> couvert dans le
>> groupe ne doivent pas exag?rer. Et quand le co-chair joue
>> son r?le
>> d'arbitre ce n'est absolument pas une occasion de
>> l'intimider. La libert?
>> est bonne lorsqu'on l'utilise pour le bien de tous.
>> Ce qui est juste est juste!
>>
>>
>> Blaise FYAMA
>> Msc, PhD.
>> Professeur Associ?
>> Secr?taire G?n?ral Acad?mique Honoraire/UL
>> Doyen de la Facult? des Sciences Informatiques/UPL
>> Doyen a.i de la Facult? Polytechnique/UPL
>> Chef de D?partement G?nie Electrique/ESI-UNILU
>> Chef de Service Informatique/Polytech-UNILU
>> Consultant Informatique BIT/PAEJK
>> Membre de International Research Conference IRC/WASET
>> Tel: +243995579515
>> Num?ro O.N.I.CIV: 00460
>>
>>
>> MSc, PhD.
>> Associate Professor
>> Honorary Academic Secretary General / UL
>> Dean of the Faculty of Computer Science / UPL
>> Dean a.i of the Polytechnic Faculty / UPL
>> Head of Department of Electrical Engineering / ESI-UNILU
>> IT Service Manager / Polytech-UNILU
>> IT Consultant BIT / PAEJK
>> Member of International Research Conference IRC/WASET
>> Phone: +243995579515
>> O.N.I.CIV number: 00460
>>
>>
>>
>> Le sam. 6 juin 2020 ? 18:53, Josu? Vangu
>> <vangumabika at gmail.com <mailto:vangumabika at gmail.com>> a ?crit :
>>
>> > Bonsoir ? tous,
>> >
>> > Je pense que nous devons rester focus et ?volutif sur les
>> discussions des
>> > politiques, s'attarder sur le sujet nous m?nent ? rien.
>> >
>> > Il y a eu un avertissement pr?c?dent, s'il n'a pas ?t?
>> respect? quoi de
>> > plus normal que de subir des mesures disciplinaires qui
>> seront revus dans
>> > une semaine comme j'ai lu, laissons les copr?sidents faire
>> leur travail.
>> >
>> > --------
>> > Josu? Vangu
>> >
>> > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S9
>> >
>> > Le sam. 6 juin 2020 ? 10:51, <rpd-request at afrinic.net
>> <mailto:rpd-request at afrinic.net>> a ?crit :
>> >
>> >> Send RPD mailing list submissions to
>> >> rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>
>> >>
>> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>> >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd
>> >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>> >> rpd-request at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd-request at afrinic.net>
>> >>
>> >> You can reach the person managing the list at
>> >> rpd-owner at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd-owner at afrinic.net>
>> >>
>> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more
>> specific
>> >> than "Re: Contents of RPD digest..."
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Today's Topics:
>> >>
>> >> 1. Re: [Community-Discuss] Cloud Innovation Displays
>> Very Poor,
>> >> If Not Criminal, Netizenship (Arnaud AMELINA)
>> >> 2. Re: [Community-Discuss] Cloud Innovation Displays
>> Very Poor,
>> >> If Not Criminal, Netizenship (Taiwo Oyewande)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >>
>> >> Message: 1
>> >> Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2020 04:08:21 +0000
>> >> From: Arnaud AMELINA <amelnaud at gmail.com
>> <mailto:amelnaud at gmail.com>>
>> >> To: ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE <oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng
>> <mailto:oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng>>
>> >> Cc: Ubah Anthony Ikechukwu <ubah.tonyiyke at gmail.com
>> <mailto:ubah.tonyiyke at gmail.com>>,
>> >> "rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>"
>> <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
>> >> Subject: Re: [rpd] [Community-Discuss] Cloud Innovation
>> Displays Very
>> >> Poor, If Not Criminal, Netizenship
>> >> Message-ID:
>> >> <CAGDMR_fk9H6qf-TAsoPOd-sJtF2rY0kthGyvScxSkYp=
>> >> rd+Hfw at mail.gmail.com <mailto:rd%2BHfw at mail.gmail.com>>
>> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> >>
>> >> Abdulkarim, je n'ai pas du tout l'impression que ton
>> jugement sur cette
>> >> liste de discussion soit ?quitable. Il semblerait que
>> certaines personnes
>> >> ont le droit de dire tout ce qu'ils veulent et d'intimider
>> (ce que le code
>> >> de conduite interdit) les autres contributeurs , sans que
>> tu ne te
>> >> manifeste. Par contre tu t'acharnes sur d'autres
>> contributeurs ? chacune
>> >> de
>> >> leur intervention comme si tu recevais des instructions
>> pour le faire. De
>> >> gr?ce arr?tes ?a et fait le job pour lequel tu as ?t? ?lu .
>> >>
>> >> En quoi est-ce une attaque que de d?noncer une usurpation
>> de ressources
>> >> (ASN) d'un client par un autre client d'Afrinic
>> constituerait une attaque
>> >> personnelle comme stipul? dans le code de conduite? Soit
>> objectif et
>> >> ?quitable dans tes d?cisions.
>> >>
>> >> Cordialement
>> >>
>> >> Arnaud
>> >>
>> >> Le ven. 5 juin 2020 ? 21:11, ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE <
>> >> oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng
>> <mailto:oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng>> a ?crit :
>> >>
>> >> > Dear Marcus,
>> >> > Yes, I agree that the follow-up discussion was useful
>> and am sure you
>> >> > would agree with us that it became useful when no one
>> felt under attack.
>> >> > Its that type of discussions that the code of conduct we
>> all signed up
>> >> to
>> >> > permits. We were never disruptive maybe you meant
>> constructive as we
>> >> were
>> >> > only doing the job the community elected us to do.
>> >> > Cheers
>> >> > Co-Chair
>> >> > Cheers and Have
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 4:28 PM Marcus K. G. Adomey
>> <madomey at hotmail.com <mailto:madomey at hotmail.com>
>> >> >
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> I have not seen any response to this query and the
>> followup discussions
>> >> >> on the incident on rpd has proven to be useful for the
>> mandate and
>> >> scope of
>> >> >> the PDP.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You were just disruptive and you must stop this
>> recurrent censorship as
>> >> >> others have said.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Please reinstate immediately Noah?s posting rights with
>> apologies.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Regards,
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Marcus
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ------------------------------
>> >> >> *From:* Murungi Daniel <dmurungi at wia.co.tz
>> <mailto:dmurungi at wia.co.tz>>
>> >> >> *Sent:* Sunday, May 31, 2020 8:11 PM
>> >> >> *To:* ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE
>> <oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng <mailto:oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng>>
>> >> >> *Cc:* Ubah Anthony Ikechukwu <ubah.tonyiyke at gmail.com
>> <mailto:ubah.tonyiyke at gmail.com>>;
>> >> rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net> <
>> >> >> rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
>> >> >> *Subject:* Re: [rpd] [Community-Discuss] Cloud
>> Innovation Displays Very
>> >> >> Poor, If Not Criminal, Netizenship
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Dear Abdulkarim,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Kindly elaborate on the details of the personal attack
>> and chaos you
>> >> >> mentioned in your last email.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Regards,
>> >> >> Daniel
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On May 31, 2020, at 10:14 PM, ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE <
>> >> >> oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng
>> <mailto:oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng>> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Dear Murungi,
>> >> >> I have no issues with transparency, infact what I want
>> is transparency.
>> >> >> What we don't want is chaos. I don't think you would
>> tolerate someone
>> >> >> attacking you personally.
>> >> >> Thanks
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Sun, 31 May 2020, 19:36 Murungi Daniel,
>> <dmurungi at wia.co.tz <mailto:dmurungi at wia.co.tz>> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> +1 @Mark Tinka.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> @Abdulkarim, it seems you have an issue with
>> transparency on this list.
>> >> >> Granted, some of Noah?s words may be heavy handed ( he
>> is a passionate
>> >> >> fellow) but I see no cause for the action you are
>> proposing.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Your ?power? as Co -PWGD is not to be wielded for
>> stifling member
>> >> voices
>> >> >> or punishing what you perceive to be a personal slight.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Regards,
>> >> >> Daniel
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > On May 31, 2020, at 10:29 AM, Mark Tinka
>> <mark.tinka at seacom.mu <mailto:mark.tinka at seacom.mu>>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > On 30/May/20 08:11, ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> Dear Noah,
>> >> >> >> Your last email has clearly violated the last
>> warning earlier
>> >> issued
>> >> >> >> by the Co-Chair. Therefore we are left with no
>> choice than to
>> >> moderate
>> >> >> >> any email you send onto this mailing list. This
>> would be reviewed
>> >> >> >> after a week.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I would have to say that this is a very slippery
>> slope we are
>> >> treading
>> >> >> down.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Mark.
>> >> >> >
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>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
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>> >> Message: 2
>> >> Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2020 09:50:21 +0100
>> >> From: Taiwo Oyewande <taiwo.oyewande88 at gmail.com
>> <mailto:taiwo.oyewande88 at gmail.com>>
>> >> To: Arnaud AMELINA <amelnaud at gmail.com
>> <mailto:amelnaud at gmail.com>>
>> >> Cc: Ubah Anthony Ikechukwu <ubah.tonyiyke at gmail.com
>> <mailto:ubah.tonyiyke at gmail.com>>,
>> >> "rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>"
>> <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
>> >> Subject: Re: [rpd] [Community-Discuss] Cloud Innovation
>> Displays Very
>> >> Poor, If Not Criminal, Netizenship
>> >> Message-ID:
>> <57D0144E-FDAD-452E-8352-D2D229EBFA39 at gmail.com
>> <mailto:57D0144E-FDAD-452E-8352-D2D229EBFA39 at gmail.com>>
>> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> >>
>> >> Good day,
>> >>
>> >> I think the co-chairs are doing the job they were elected
>> to do and we
>> >> should commend them for a great job so far. Just as
>> @Murungi stated, Noah
>> >> had some heavy handed words. Also the co-chairs stated
>> -rightfully- that
>> >> those messages were out of scope and the RPD mailing list
>> be used only for
>> >> policy discussions to determine a way forward in the
>> community.
>> >> I also agree with Marcus that Noah had some constructive
>> points laid out
>> >> especially after the stern warning was given. I think the
>> co-chairs should
>> >> be applauded for repositioning Noah?s great knowledge back
>> to the focus of
>> >> the list and to further tap his experience towards the
>> development of the
>> >> community.
>> >> Please let us all keep positive, progressive and ofcos, safe.
>> >>
>> >> Taiwo
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>
>> >> > On 6 Jun 2020, at 05:12, Arnaud AMELINA
>> <amelnaud at gmail.com <mailto:amelnaud at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > ?
>> >> > Abdulkarim, je n'ai pas du tout l'impression que ton
>> jugement sur cette
>> >> liste de discussion soit ?quitable. Il semblerait que
>> certaines personnes
>> >> ont le droit de dire tout ce qu'ils veulent et d'intimider
>> (ce que le code
>> >> de conduite interdit) les autres contributeurs , sans que
>> tu ne te
>> >> manifeste. Par contre tu t'acharnes sur d'autres
>> contributeurs ? chacune de
>> >> leur intervention comme si tu recevais des instructions
>> pour le faire. De
>> >> gr?ce arr?tes ?a et fait le job pour lequel tu as ?t? ?lu .
>> >> >
>> >> > En quoi est-ce une attaque que de d?noncer une
>> usurpation de ressources
>> >> (ASN) d'un client par un autre client d'Afrinic
>> constituerait une attaque
>> >> personnelle comme stipul? dans le code de conduite? Soit
>> objectif et
>> >> ?quitable dans tes d?cisions.
>> >> >
>> >> > Cordialement
>> >> >
>> >> > Arnaud
>> >> >
>> >> >> Le ven. 5 juin 2020 ? 21:11, ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE <
>> >> oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng
>> <mailto:oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng>> a ?crit :
>> >> >> Dear Marcus,
>> >> >> Yes, I agree that the follow-up discussion was useful
>> and am sure you
>> >> would agree with us that it became useful when no one felt
>> under attack.
>> >> >> Its that type of discussions that the code of conduct
>> we all signed up
>> >> to permits. We were never disruptive maybe you meant
>> constructive as we
>> >> were only doing the job the community elected us to do.
>> >> >> Cheers
>> >> >> Co-Chair
>> >> >> Cheers and Have
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 4:28 PM Marcus K. G. Adomey <
>> >> madomey at hotmail.com <mailto:madomey at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>> >> >>> I have not seen any response to this query and the
>> followup
>> >> discussions on the incident on rpd has proven to be useful
>> for the mandate
>> >> and scope of the PDP.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> You were just disruptive and you must stop this
>> recurrent censorship
>> >> as others have said.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Please reinstate immediately Noah?s posting rights
>> with apologies.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Regards,
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Marcus
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> From: Murungi Daniel <dmurungi at wia.co.tz
>> <mailto:dmurungi at wia.co.tz>>
>> >> >>> Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 8:11 PM
>> >> >>> To: ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE
>> <oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng <mailto:oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng>>
>> >> >>> Cc: Ubah Anthony Ikechukwu <ubah.tonyiyke at gmail.com
>> <mailto:ubah.tonyiyke at gmail.com>>; rpd at afrinic.net
>> <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>
>> >> <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
>> >> >>> Subject: Re: [rpd] [Community-Discuss] Cloud
>> Innovation Displays Very
>> >> Poor, If Not Criminal, Netizenship
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Dear Abdulkarim,
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Kindly elaborate on the details of the personal attack
>> and chaos you
>> >> mentioned in your last email.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Regards,
>> >> >>> Daniel
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> On May 31, 2020, at 10:14 PM, ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE <
>> >> oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng
>> <mailto:oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Dear Murungi,
>> >> >>>> I have no issues with transparency, infact what I want is
>> >> transparency. What we don't want is chaos. I don't think
>> you would tolerate
>> >> someone attacking you personally.
>> >> >>>> Thanks
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> On Sun, 31 May 2020, 19:36 Murungi Daniel,
>> <dmurungi at wia.co.tz <mailto:dmurungi at wia.co.tz>>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >>>> +1 @Mark Tinka.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> @Abdulkarim, it seems you have an issue with
>> transparency on this
>> >> list. Granted, some of Noah?s words may be heavy handed (
>> he is a
>> >> passionate fellow) but I see no cause for the action you
>> are proposing.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Your ?power? as Co -PWGD is not to be wielded for
>> stifling member
>> >> voices or punishing what you perceive to be a personal slight.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Regards,
>> >> >>>> Daniel
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> > On May 31, 2020, at 10:29 AM, Mark Tinka
>> <mark.tinka at seacom.mu <mailto:mark.tinka at seacom.mu>>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> > On 30/May/20 08:11, ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE wrote:
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> >> Dear Noah,
>> >> >>>> >> Your last email has clearly violated the last
>> warning earlier
>> >> issued
>> >> >>>> >> by the Co-Chair. Therefore we are left with no
>> choice than to
>> >> moderate
>> >> >>>> >> any email you send onto this mailing list. This
>> would be reviewed
>> >> >>>> >> after a week.
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> > I would have to say that this is a very slippery
>> slope we are
>> >> treading down.
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> > Mark.
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> > _______________________________________________
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>> >> >>>> > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd
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>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Website, Weekly Bulletin UGPortal PGPortal
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Website, Weekly Bulletin UGPortal PGPortal
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