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[rpd] RPD Digest, Vol 165, Issue 13
Marcus K. G. Adomey
madomey at hotmail.com
Sun Jun 7 10:24:33 UTC 2020
Mon Cher Blaise,
J’ai lu avec intérêt ta réaction ci-dessous et cela mérite quelques commentaires/réactions de ma part.
Parler d’intimidation savamment moulée dans une réclamation est inappropriée surtout que ceux-là que vous considérez comme intimidé sont rentrés dans une errance au détriment des pratiques qu’ils sont supposés connaitre et mettre en pratique dans l’exercice de leur fonction de Co-chair. Je te comprends et te trouve ainsi une situation atténuante parce que tu considères mes rappels à l’ordre comme des attaques sibyllines et ciblées. Ce n’est pas du tout enviable cette situation dans laquelle tu te retrouves. Il va falloir que tu t'habitues aux réalités du PDP pour ne pas compromettre ton intégrité intellectuelle et morale.
A bon entendeur, salut !!!!
Marcus
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Subject: Re: [rpd] RPD Digest, Vol 165, Issue 13
Pour ma part une intimidation savamment moulée dans une réclamation n'est pas bonne.
Si nous nous considérions les uns les autres on comprendrait que dans tous nos écrits il ya la lettre et l'esprit de la lettre.
Les attaques sybillines et ciblées que l'on se mène sous couvert dans le groupe ne doivent pas exagérer. Et quand le co-chair joue son rôle d'arbitre ce n'est absolument pas une occasion de l'intimider. La liberté est bonne lorsqu'on l'utilise pour le bien de tous.
Ce qui est juste est juste!
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Le sam. 6 juin 2020 à 18:53, Josué Vangu <vangumabika at gmail.com<mailto:vangumabika at gmail.com>> a écrit :
Bonsoir à tous,
Je pense que nous devons rester focus et évolutif sur les discussions des politiques, s'attarder sur le sujet nous mènent à rien.
Il y a eu un avertissement précédent, s'il n'a pas été respecté quoi de plus normal que de subir des mesures disciplinaires qui seront revus dans une semaine comme j'ai lu, laissons les coprésidents faire leur travail.
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1. Re: [Community-Discuss] Cloud Innovation Displays Very Poor,
If Not Criminal, Netizenship (Arnaud AMELINA)
2. Re: [Community-Discuss] Cloud Innovation Displays Very Poor,
If Not Criminal, Netizenship (Taiwo Oyewande)
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Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2020 04:08:21 +0000
From: Arnaud AMELINA <amelnaud at gmail.com<mailto:amelnaud at gmail.com>>
To: ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE <oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng<mailto:oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng>>
Cc: Ubah Anthony Ikechukwu <ubah.tonyiyke at gmail.com<mailto:ubah.tonyiyke at gmail.com>>,
"rpd at afrinic.net<mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>" <rpd at afrinic.net<mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
Subject: Re: [rpd] [Community-Discuss] Cloud Innovation Displays Very
Poor, If Not Criminal, Netizenship
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Abdulkarim, je n'ai pas du tout l'impression que ton jugement sur cette
liste de discussion soit ?quitable. Il semblerait que certaines personnes
ont le droit de dire tout ce qu'ils veulent et d'intimider (ce que le code
de conduite interdit) les autres contributeurs , sans que tu ne te
manifeste. Par contre tu t'acharnes sur d'autres contributeurs ? chacune de
leur intervention comme si tu recevais des instructions pour le faire. De
gr?ce arr?tes ?a et fait le job pour lequel tu as ?t? ?lu .
En quoi est-ce une attaque que de d?noncer une usurpation de ressources
(ASN) d'un client par un autre client d'Afrinic constituerait une attaque
personnelle comme stipul? dans le code de conduite? Soit objectif et
?quitable dans tes d?cisions.
Cordialement
Arnaud
Le ven. 5 juin 2020 ? 21:11, ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE <
oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng<mailto:oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng>> a ?crit :
> Dear Marcus,
> Yes, I agree that the follow-up discussion was useful and am sure you
> would agree with us that it became useful when no one felt under attack.
> Its that type of discussions that the code of conduct we all signed up to
> permits. We were never disruptive maybe you meant constructive as we were
> only doing the job the community elected us to do.
> Cheers
> Co-Chair
> Cheers and Have
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 4:28 PM Marcus K. G. Adomey <madomey at hotmail.com<mailto:madomey at hotmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
>> I have not seen any response to this query and the followup discussions
>> on the incident on rpd has proven to be useful for the mandate and scope of
>> the PDP.
>>
>> You were just disruptive and you must stop this recurrent censorship as
>> others have said.
>>
>> Please reinstate immediately Noah?s posting rights with apologies.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>> Marcus
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Murungi Daniel <dmurungi at wia.co.tz<mailto:dmurungi at wia.co.tz>>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, May 31, 2020 8:11 PM
>> *To:* ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE <oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng<mailto:oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng>>
>> *Cc:* Ubah Anthony Ikechukwu <ubah.tonyiyke at gmail.com<mailto:ubah.tonyiyke at gmail.com>>; rpd at afrinic.net<mailto:rpd at afrinic.net> <
>> rpd at afrinic.net<mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [rpd] [Community-Discuss] Cloud Innovation Displays Very
>> Poor, If Not Criminal, Netizenship
>>
>> Dear Abdulkarim,
>>
>> Kindly elaborate on the details of the personal attack and chaos you
>> mentioned in your last email.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Daniel
>>
>> On May 31, 2020, at 10:14 PM, ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE <
>> oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng<mailto:oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Murungi,
>> I have no issues with transparency, infact what I want is transparency.
>> What we don't want is chaos. I don't think you would tolerate someone
>> attacking you personally.
>> Thanks
>>
>> On Sun, 31 May 2020, 19:36 Murungi Daniel, <dmurungi at wia.co.tz<mailto:dmurungi at wia.co.tz>> wrote:
>>
>> +1 @Mark Tinka.
>>
>> @Abdulkarim, it seems you have an issue with transparency on this list.
>> Granted, some of Noah?s words may be heavy handed ( he is a passionate
>> fellow) but I see no cause for the action you are proposing.
>>
>> Your ?power? as Co -PWGD is not to be wielded for stifling member voices
>> or punishing what you perceive to be a personal slight.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Daniel
>>
>>
>> > On May 31, 2020, at 10:29 AM, Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu<mailto:mark.tinka at seacom.mu>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 30/May/20 08:11, ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE wrote:
>> >
>> >> Dear Noah,
>> >> Your last email has clearly violated the last warning earlier issued
>> >> by the Co-Chair. Therefore we are left with no choice than to moderate
>> >> any email you send onto this mailing list. This would be reviewed
>> >> after a week.
>> >
>> > I would have to say that this is a very slippery slope we are treading
>> down.
>> >
>> > Mark.
>> >
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From: Taiwo Oyewande <taiwo.oyewande88 at gmail.com<mailto:taiwo.oyewande88 at gmail.com>>
To: Arnaud AMELINA <amelnaud at gmail.com<mailto:amelnaud at gmail.com>>
Cc: Ubah Anthony Ikechukwu <ubah.tonyiyke at gmail.com<mailto:ubah.tonyiyke at gmail.com>>,
"rpd at afrinic.net<mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>" <rpd at afrinic.net<mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
Subject: Re: [rpd] [Community-Discuss] Cloud Innovation Displays Very
Poor, If Not Criminal, Netizenship
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Good day,
I think the co-chairs are doing the job they were elected to do and we should commend them for a great job so far. Just as @Murungi stated, Noah had some heavy handed words. Also the co-chairs stated -rightfully- that those messages were out of scope and the RPD mailing list be used only for policy discussions to determine a way forward in the community.
I also agree with Marcus that Noah had some constructive points laid out especially after the stern warning was given. I think the co-chairs should be applauded for repositioning Noah?s great knowledge back to the focus of the list and to further tap his experience towards the development of the community.
Please let us all keep positive, progressive and ofcos, safe.
Taiwo
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> On 6 Jun 2020, at 05:12, Arnaud AMELINA <amelnaud at gmail.com<mailto:amelnaud at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> ?
> Abdulkarim, je n'ai pas du tout l'impression que ton jugement sur cette liste de discussion soit ?quitable. Il semblerait que certaines personnes ont le droit de dire tout ce qu'ils veulent et d'intimider (ce que le code de conduite interdit) les autres contributeurs , sans que tu ne te manifeste. Par contre tu t'acharnes sur d'autres contributeurs ? chacune de leur intervention comme si tu recevais des instructions pour le faire. De gr?ce arr?tes ?a et fait le job pour lequel tu as ?t? ?lu .
>
> En quoi est-ce une attaque que de d?noncer une usurpation de ressources (ASN) d'un client par un autre client d'Afrinic constituerait une attaque personnelle comme stipul? dans le code de conduite? Soit objectif et ?quitable dans tes d?cisions.
>
> Cordialement
>
> Arnaud
>
>> Le ven. 5 juin 2020 ? 21:11, ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE <oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng<mailto:oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng>> a ?crit :
>> Dear Marcus,
>> Yes, I agree that the follow-up discussion was useful and am sure you would agree with us that it became useful when no one felt under attack.
>> Its that type of discussions that the code of conduct we all signed up to permits. We were never disruptive maybe you meant constructive as we were only doing the job the community elected us to do.
>> Cheers
>> Co-Chair
>> Cheers and Have
>>
>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 4:28 PM Marcus K. G. Adomey <madomey at hotmail.com<mailto:madomey at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>>> I have not seen any response to this query and the followup discussions on the incident on rpd has proven to be useful for the mandate and scope of the PDP.
>>>
>>> You were just disruptive and you must stop this recurrent censorship as others have said.
>>>
>>> Please reinstate immediately Noah?s posting rights with apologies.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>> Marcus
>>>
>>> From: Murungi Daniel <dmurungi at wia.co.tz<mailto:dmurungi at wia.co.tz>>
>>> Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 8:11 PM
>>> To: ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE <oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng<mailto:oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng>>
>>> Cc: Ubah Anthony Ikechukwu <ubah.tonyiyke at gmail.com<mailto:ubah.tonyiyke at gmail.com>>; rpd at afrinic.net<mailto:rpd at afrinic.net> <rpd at afrinic.net<mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
>>> Subject: Re: [rpd] [Community-Discuss] Cloud Innovation Displays Very Poor, If Not Criminal, Netizenship
>>>
>>> Dear Abdulkarim,
>>>
>>> Kindly elaborate on the details of the personal attack and chaos you mentioned in your last email.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Daniel
>>>
>>>> On May 31, 2020, at 10:14 PM, ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE <oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng<mailto:oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear Murungi,
>>>> I have no issues with transparency, infact what I want is transparency. What we don't want is chaos. I don't think you would tolerate someone attacking you personally.
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 31 May 2020, 19:36 Murungi Daniel, <dmurungi at wia.co.tz<mailto:dmurungi at wia.co.tz>> wrote:
>>>> +1 @Mark Tinka.
>>>>
>>>> @Abdulkarim, it seems you have an issue with transparency on this list. Granted, some of Noah?s words may be heavy handed ( he is a passionate fellow) but I see no cause for the action you are proposing.
>>>>
>>>> Your ?power? as Co -PWGD is not to be wielded for stifling member voices or punishing what you perceive to be a personal slight.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Daniel
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > On May 31, 2020, at 10:29 AM, Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu<mailto:mark.tinka at seacom.mu>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On 30/May/20 08:11, ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> Dear Noah,
>>>> >> Your last email has clearly violated the last warning earlier issued
>>>> >> by the Co-Chair. Therefore we are left with no choice than to moderate
>>>> >> any email you send onto this mailing list. This would be reviewed
>>>> >> after a week.
>>>> >
>>>> > I would have to say that this is a very slippery slope we are treading down.
>>>> >
>>>> > Mark.
>>>> >
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>>>> > RPD at afrinic.net<mailto:RPD at afrinic.net>
>>>> > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
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