[rpd] Attention(Correction): Focus on Policy related Discussions on RPD mailing

[Trésor Tshilumba]

Thanks a lot
That's what i've said few days ago. Let's come back to PDP our RPD list.
Thank you

Le lun. 9 mars 2020 à 07:37, Moses Serugo <moses.serugo at gmail.com> a écrit :


> Dear PDWG members,

>

> Happy Women's Day!

>

> It's already one week into March and AIS-20 at Kinshasa DRC is drawing

> close. We pray and hope that the corona Virus outbreak will be

> contained soon.

>

> The co-chairs have been discussing about removing this discussion from the

> RPD list as it's irrelevant to policies and policy-making matters.

>

> It has been observed that, this discussion has created tension among the

> community while not contributing much regarding policy-making.

>

> After serious consideration, we urge all to stop the discussion here in the

> RPD list. We respect everyone's opinion and freedom of speech, but RPD is

> just not the right place to discuss such matters.

>

> Let's us all please ensure that discussion on RPD mailing list are focused

> on policies as it's the main purpose it was created.

>

> Thank you so much for understanding and support.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Co-chairs

>

>

> On Sun, 8 Mar 2020 at 15:00, <rpd-request at afrinic.net> wrote:

>

>> Send RPD mailing list submissions to

>>         rpd at afrinic.net

>>

>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit

>>         https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd

>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to

>>         rpd-request at afrinic.net

>>

>> You can reach the person managing the list at

>>         rpd-owner at afrinic.net

>>

>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific

>> than "Re: Contents of RPD digest..."

>>

>>

>> Today's Topics:

>>

>>    1. Attention: Focus on Policy related Discussions on RPD mailing

>>       list. (Moses Serugo)

>>    2. Re: Travel funding for AfriNIC meetings (Noah)

>>

>>

>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

>>

>> Message: 1

>> Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2020 09:05:53 +0300

>> From: Moses Serugo <moses.serugo at gmail.com>

>> To: rpd at afrinic.net

>> Subject: [rpd] Attention: Focus on Policy related Discussions on RPD

>>         mailing list.

>> Message-ID:

>>         <

>> CACxMiga21rQLfCb3fjPRnj4HfMr2BNBwN9BnQRw1CXCoBZjWoQ at mail.gmail.com>

>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

>>

>> Dear PDWG members,

>>

>> Happy Women's Day!

>>

>> It's already one week into March and AIS-20 at Kinshasa DRC is drawing

>> close. We also hope that the corona Virus outbreak will not will be

>> contained soon.

>>

>> The co-chairs have been discussing about removing this discussion from the

>> RPD list as it?s irrelevant to policies and policy-making matters.

>>

>> We have observed that, this discussion has created tension among the

>> community while not contributing much regarding policy-making.

>>

>> After serious consideration, we urge all to stop the discussion here in

>> the

>> RPD list. We respect everyone?s opinion and freedom of speech, but RPD is

>> just not the right place to discuss such matters.

>>

>> Let's us all please ensure that discussion on RPD mailing list are focused

>> on policies as it?s the main purpose it was created.

>>

>> Thank you so much for understanding and support.

>>

>> Best regards,

>>

>> Co-chairs

>> -------------- next part --------------

>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...

>> URL: <

>> https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/attachments/20200308/3637b95f/attachment-0001.html

>> >

>>

>> ------------------------------

>>

>> Message: 2

>> Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2020 13:36:13 +0300

>> From: Noah <noah at neo.co.tz>

>> To: Mike Silber <silber.mike at gmail.com>

>> Cc: rpd List <rpd at afrinic.net>

>> Subject: Re: [rpd] Travel funding for AfriNIC meetings

>> Message-ID:

>>         <

>> CAEqgTWbZbHVnX9EjB-xuvptKOCymop8zZPMxTtawSUfLfmoM4w at mail.gmail.com>

>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

>>

>> On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 6:59 PM Mike Silber <silber.mike at gmail.com> wrote:

>>

>> > Let me start off by indicating again that I do not believe this is an

>> > appropriate topic for the rpd list - unless and until someone proposes a

>> > policy regarding funding (which IMO will be out of bounds of the PDP).

>> This

>> > is a community or members list issue.

>> >

>>

>> Hi Mike,

>>

>> This is not a member-list issue actually. Perhaps the community-list, but

>> it is surely PDP related and should be discussed on this very rpd-list and

>> in fact during the Public Policy Meetings. Also not everything discussed

>> on

>> this rpd list or at during the PPM leads to policy actions.

>>

>> In the case of the issue currently under discussion, the outcome might not

>> be a proposal on funding, but rather changes in the PDP to guarantee its

>> integrity and increase its resistance to *potential* *capture*  and

>> *abuses*,

>> in addition to *ethical* and conservative measures AfriNIC as an

>> organisation must undertake.

>>

>>

>> > If I can summarise:

>> >

>> > - many people get funding to attend meetings, some from their employers,

>> > some from AfriNIC (excluding employees) and some from various funding

>> > institutions;

>> > - when travel costs are paid by an employer, we accept that the attendee

>> > will consider the impact on the employer before engaging in discussions

>> > (even if the views are their own). AfriNIC funded attendees (other than

>> > employees) are expected to follow their own views - whether we agree

>> with

>> > them or not. We are unsure whether attendees sponsored by an opaque

>> funding

>> > institution may have been indoctrinated to follow a particular view.

>> >

>>

>> It is not only the AfriNIC funded attendees (fellows) that are expected to

>> follow their own views.

>>

>> Everyone is expected to follow their own views according to the intentions

>> of the PDP and this is irrespective of funding source (i.e be principled

>> and work only in the interest of AfriNIC).

>>

>> You have also noted impact on employer, but there?s also employer impact

>> on

>> what should be an individualized PDP participation across various working

>> groups.

>>

>>

>>

>> > The conclusion drawn by some is that attendees sponsored by an opaque

>> > funding institution have been indoctrinated and this somehow corrupts

>> the

>> > policy development process.

>> >

>>

>> Interesting you refer to attendees sponsored by opaque organizations. In

>> fact opaque organizations should not exist within the context of AfriNIC

>> let alone to be involved in sponsoring anything related to AfriNIC

>> activities.

>>

>>

>>

>> > Outside of that there has been mudslinging against various institutions

>> > and various people, indicating yet again that our community is divided.

>> >

>>

>> Please can you kindly indicate the indicated division in our community?

>>

>>

>> >

>> > In my view, the issue is not funding, or stacking the room or

>> > indoctrination or training - it is about TRUST. In a community where few

>> > trust each other, then the only option to improve trust is transparency.

>> >

>>

>> What if it?s not about trust but rather *capture*, *control* and *abuse*

>> of

>> AfriNIC Internet Number Resources?

>>

>>

>> >

>> > Transparency will allow us to leap to conclusions based on affiliation -

>> > without considering the argue. However, that seems to be the preferred

>> mode

>> > of operation in this community, so who am I to judge.

>> >

>> > In my view transparency can be achieved in two ways: (i) the publication

>> > of a statement of interest, setting out organisational affiliations,

>> such

>> > as employer or clients of a consultant (and confirming that the person

>> is a

>> > real human and not a sock puppet) **before** participating in the rpd

>> > list; and (ii) when at a meeting, participants must introduce themselves

>> > and indicate their organisational affiliation **as well as anyone

>> funding

>> > their travel** if not their organisation. For example - my name is John,

>> > I work at XYZ ISP and I am an AfriNIC funded fellow.

>> >

>> > I think those two simple approaches are basic etiquette and can be

>> > included in the Code of Conduct. I also think AfriNIC can create a

>> > ?statement of interest? database with minimal effort (and no personal

>> > identifying information).

>> >

>> > If this is followed, aside for possible reporting of violations of the

>> > Code of Conduct, we can remove this inane and pointless discussion from

>> the

>> > rpd list.

>> >

>>

>> Everything was transparent up until the opaque organizations arrived with

>> their strings attached funding from what we have seen.

>>

>> Noah

>>

>>

>> > Mike

>> >

>> > _______________________________________________

>> > RPD mailing list

>> > RPD at afrinic.net

>> > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd

>> >

>> -------------- next part --------------

>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...

>> URL: <

>> https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/attachments/20200308/445a84c4/attachment-0001.html

>> >

>>

>> ------------------------------

>>

>> Subject: Digest Footer

>>

>> _______________________________________________

>> RPD mailing list

>> RPD at afrinic.net

>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd

>>

>>

>> ------------------------------

>>

>> End of RPD Digest, Vol 162, Issue 25

>> ************************************

>>

> _______________________________________________

> RPD mailing list

> RPD at afrinic.net

> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd

>

-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/attachments/20200309/138b8581/attachment-0001.html>